NO SS marriage in America without Catholic Judges favoring it

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  1. BobRyan

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    There are six Roman Catholics currently serving on the court (Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy, John Roberts, Antonin Scalia, Sonia Sotomayor, and Clarence Thomas) and three Jews (Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Elena Kagen).

    "Protestant America"??

    We will now see what happens on the Supreme Court when Protestantism is banished from it.

    Will this Catholic Court hand us "SS marriage"??

    Will the Catholic Pope "inform them" on whether or not Marriage is "up for grabs" is "up for redefining" by this Catholic dominated court?

    Time will tell.

    One thing is for sure - the 3 Jewish judges could not do it by themselves.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    However, it is safe to assume that 100% of those voting to affirm the Sixth Circuit decision will be Catholic.
     
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    the Sixth Circuit voted to uphold the Bible definition of Marriage. If the Catholics on the Supreme court can figure out that this is the right choice - then they will have scored a big win and possibly prevent the Lev 18 hail storm from falling on this wayward country.

    But if they cannot manage to figure that out - if they imagine that the constitution grants them the right and authority to redefine marriage for mankind - then we will all need to pray that God will grant us some time of grace before He sends natural disasters or His four plagues our way.

    Notice the composition of the 6th circuit and the fact that they are appointed primarily by conservative - republican Presidents.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...ixth_Circuit#Current_composition_of_the_court

    No wonder the libs at the top of that food chain don't like them.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    This makes no sense at all. Like there aren't a ton of liberal activist judges that come from protestant backgrounds. It doesn't have anything to do with catholicism itself. If anything the catholic church is by far one of the denominations that has resisted modernism the most.

    You're not seriously saying that supreme court judges will be taking orders from the pope in secret?

    Stuff like this is why I always take baptist arguments with a huge, huge grain of salt. Are you going to talk about Jesuit conspiracy theories next?
     
  5. BobRyan

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    I am suggesting that if the SC Catholic judges are so clueless as to attempt to redefine marriage - then their Catholic faith benefited them zilch

    If Catholic faith is so worthless that it does not even inform on the subject of what Marriage is and what moral values are attached to not serving Satan in efforts to redefine marriage - then why should anyone be Catholic???
     
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    As a Roman Catholic of 30 years, but no longer, I can say with confidence, that you brother Croyant, do not understand Roman Catholicism, for a Roman Catholic must swear an oath/vow:

    "... With firm faith, I also believe everything contained in the word of God, whether written or handed down in Tradition, which the Church, either by a solemn judgment or by the ordinary and universal Magisterium, sets forth to be believed as divinely revealed.

    I also firmly accept and hold each and everything definitively proposed by the Church regarding teaching on faith and morals.

    Moreover, I adhere with religious submission of will and intellect to the teachings which either the Roman Pontiff or the College of Bishops enunciate when they exercise their authentic Magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim these teachings by a definitive act. ..." - http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...n_cfaith_doc_19880701_professio-fidei_en.html

    This basic oath supercedes all other non-Roman Catholic oaths/vows of any country, political party, etc.

    There are other more stringent oaths within Roman Catholicism, such as those found in the orders of Monastics, Knights, prelatures Opus Dei, Jesuits, &c.

    It does not matter what US Constitutional Law or Amendments, or Bill of Rights, etc says, if Papal [Papacy; or official Council] authority says [determined/s] otherwise. Nothing secret about those oaths [noted in link], though there are others which are.

    The Roman Catholics in the Supreme Court [in the basic sense] are first and foremost loyal to the "City of God" [Augustine], not those laws of the united states.

    "… But the supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires, together with a perfect accord in the one faith, complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself. … Christian usage attaches such value to this perfection of obedience that it has been, and will ever be, accounted the distinguishing mark by which we are able to recognize Catholics. …" [SAPIENTIAE CHRISTIANAE; ON CHRISTIANS AS CITIZENS; ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII JANUARY 10, 1890] - http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13sapie.htm
     
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    "...Romanism is now regarded by Protestants with far greater favor than in former years. In those countries where Catholicism is not in the ascendancy, and the papists are taking a conciliatory course in order to gain influence, there is an increasing indifference concerning the doctrines that separate the reformed churches from the papal hierarchy; the opinion is gaining ground that, after all, we do not differ so widely upon vital points as has been supposed, and that a little concession on our part will bring us into a better understanding with Rome. The time was when Protestants placed a high value upon the liberty of conscience which had been so dearly purchased. They taught their children to abhor popery and held that to seek harmony with Rome would be disloyalty to God. But how widely different are the sentiments now expressed!

    The defenders of the papacy declare that the church has been maligned, and the Protestant world are inclined to accept the statement. Many urge that it is unjust to judge the church of today by the abominations and absurdities that marked her reign during the centuries of ignorance and darkness. They excuse her horrible cruelty as the result of the barbarism of the times and plead that the influence of modern civilization has changed her sentiments. ..." (The Great Controversy; Ellen G. White, page 563; Chapter 35 - "Liberty of Conscience Threatened")

    "...Marvelous in her shrewdness and cunning is the Roman Church. She can read what is to be. She bides her time, seeing that the Protestant churches are paying her homage in their acceptance of the false sabbath and that they are preparing to enforce it by the very means which she herself employed in bygone days. Those who reject the light of truth will yet seek the aid of this self-styled infallible power to exalt an institution that originated with her. How readily she will come to the help of Protestants in this work it is not difficult to conjecture. Who understands better than the papal leaders how to deal with those who are disobedient to the church?

    The Roman Catholic Church, with all its ramifications throughout the world, forms one vast organization under the control, and designed to serve the interests, of the papal see. Its millions of communicants, in every country on the globe, are instructed to hold themselves as bound in allegiance to the pope. Whatever their nationality or their government, they are to regard the authority of the church as above all other. Though they may take the oath pledging their loyalty to the state, yet back of this lies the vow of obedience to Rome, absolving them from every pledge inimical to her interests.

    History testifies of her artful and persistent efforts to insinuate herself into the affairs of nations; and having gained a foothold, to further her own aims, even at the ruin of princes and people. In the year 1204, Pope Innocent III extracted from Peter II, king of Arragon, the following extraordinary oath: “I, Peter, king of Arragonians, profess and promise to be ever faithful and obedient to my lord, Pope Innocent, to his Catholic successors, and the Roman Church, and faithfully to preserve my kingdom in his obedience, defending the Catholic faith, and persecuting heretical pravity.”—John Dowling, The History of Romanism, b. 5, ch. 6, sec.

    55. This is in harmony with the claims regarding the power of the Roman pontiff “that it is lawful for him to depose emperors” and “that he can absolve subjects from their allegiance to unrighteous rulers.”—Mosheim, b. 3, cent. 11, pt. 2, ch. 2, sec. 9, note 17. (See also Appendix note for page 447.)

    And let it be remembered, it is the boast of Rome that she never changes. The principles of Gregory VII and Innocent III are still the principles of the Roman Catholic Church. And had she but the power, she would put them in practice with as much vigor now as in past centuries. Protestants little know what they are doing when they propose to accept the aid of Rome in the work of Sunday exaltation. While they are bent upon the accomplishment of their purpose, Rome is aiming to re-establish her power, to recover her lost supremacy. Let the principle once be established in the United States that the church may employ or control the power of the state; that religious observances may be enforced by secular laws; in short, that the authority of church and state is to dominate the conscience, and the triumph of Rome in this country is assured.

    God’s word has given warning of the impending danger; let this be unheeded, and the Protestant world will learn what the purposes of Rome really are, only when it is too late to escape the snare. She is silently growing into power. Her doctrines are exerting their influence in legislative halls, in the churches, and in the hearts of men. She is piling up her lofty and massive structures in the secret recesses of which her former persecutions will be repeated. Stealthily and unsuspectedly she is strengthening her forces to further her own ends when the time shall come for her to strike. All that she desires is vantage ground, and this is already being given her. We shall soon see and shall feel what the purpose of the Roman element is. Whoever shall believe and obey the word of God will thereby incur reproach and persecution. ..." (The Great Controversy; Ellen G. White; pages 580-581; Chapter 35 - "Liberty of Conscience Threatened")

    "...Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience.

    As spiritualism more closely imitates the nominal Christianity of the day, it has greater power to deceive and ensnare. Satan himself is converted, after the modern order of things. He will appear in the character of an angel of light. Through the agency of spiritualism, miracles will be wrought, the sick will be healed, and many undeniable wonders will be performed. And as the spirits will profess faith in the Bible, and manifest respect for the institutions of the church, their work will be accepted as a manifestation of divine power.

    The line of distinction between professed Christians and the ungodly is now hardly distinguishable. Church members love what the world loves and are ready to join with them, and Satan determines to unite them in one body and thus strengthen his cause by sweeping all into the ranks of spiritualism. Papists, who boast of miracles as a certain sign of the true church, will be readily deceived by this wonder-working power; and Protestants, having cast away the shield of truth, will also be deluded. Papists, Protestants, and worldlings will alike accept the form of godliness without the power, and they will see in this union a grand movement..." (The Great Controversy; Ellen G. White; pages 588; Chapter 35 - "Liberty of Conscience Threatened")
    - http://text.egwwritings.org/publica...ng=en&collection=2&section=all&pagenumber=563
     
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    ...though not having anything specific to say about the following personages or their relationship with Christ Jesus, or anything in regards to their motives, but please notice the positions held... would anyone say that these are not 'key' positions?

    ...who is the Supreme Court Justices currently and majority made up of now...

    [1] "John G. Roberts, Jr." - Roman Catholic

    [2] "Antonin Scalia" - Roman Catholic

    [3] "Anthony M. Kennedy" - Roman Catholic

    [4] "Clarence Thomas" - Roman Catholic

    [5] "Ruth Bader Ginsburg" - Judaism

    [6] "Stephen G. Breyer" - Judaism

    [7] "Samuel Anthony Alito, Jr." - Roman Catholic

    [8] "Sonia Sotomayor" - Roman Catholic

    [9] "Elena Kagan" - Conservative Judaism

    [10] "Sandra Day O’Connor (Retired)" - Episcopal

    [11] "David H. Souter (Retired)" - Episcopal

    [12] "John Paul Stevens (Retired)" - Protestantism​

    ...

    Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit
    "William H. Pryor, Jr." - Roman Catholic

    ...

    Vice President of the United States
    "Joseph Robinette "Joe" Biden, Jr. - Roman Catholic

    ...

    61st Speaker of the United States House of Representatives
    "John Andrew Boehner" - Roman Catholic

    58th Speaker of the United States House of Representatives
    "Newton Leroy "Newt" Gingrich" - Roman Catholic

    House Minority Leader; 60th Speaker of the United States House of Representatives
    "Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi" - Roman Catholic

    ...

    Surgeon General of the United States
    "Vice Admiral Regina Marcia Benjamin," - Roman Catholic

    ...

    64th Chairman of the Republican National Committee
    "Michael Stephen Steele" - Roman Catholic

    ...


    United States Senator; from Massachusetts
    "John Forbes Kerry" - Roman Catholic

    United States Senator; from New Hampshire
    "Kelly A. Ayotte" - Roman Catholic

    United States Senator; from Pennsylvania
    "Robert Patrick "Bob" Casey, Jr." - Roman Catholic

    United States Senator; from Illinois
    "Richard Joseph "D." Durbin" - Roman Catholic

    United States Senator; from North Dakota
    "John Henry Hoeven III" - Roman Catholic

    United States Senator; from Louisiana
    "Mary Loretta Landrieu" - Roman Catholic

    United States Senator; from West Virginia
    "Joseph "Joe" Manchin III" - Roman Catholic

    United States Senator; from Florida
    "Marco Antonio Rubio" - Roman Catholic

    United States Senator; from Pennsylvania
    "Patrick Joseph "Pat" Toomey, Sr." - Roman Catholic

    United States Senator; from Louisiana
    "David Bruce Vitter" - Roman Catholic

    United States Senator; from Ohio
    "George Victor Voinovich" - Roman Catholic

    Member of the U.S. House of Representatives; from Georgia's 8th district
    "James Creel "Jim" Marshall" - Roman Catholic

    Member of the U.S. House of Representatives; from Wisconsin's 1st district
    "Paul Davis Ryan" - Roman Catholic

    Member of the U.S. House of Representatives; from Ohio's 17th district
    "Timothy John "Tim" Ryan" - Roman Catholic

    Member of the U.S. House of Representatives; from Mississippi's 4th district
    "Gary Eugene "Gene" Taylor" - Roman Catholic

    Member of the U.S. House of Representatives; from Pennsylvania's 14th district
    "Michael F. "Mike" Doyle" - Roman Catholic

    Member of the U.S. House of Representatives; from Mississippi's 4th district
    "Steven McCarty Palazzo" - Roman Catholic

    34th and 39th Governor of California
    "Edmund Gerald "Jerry" Brown, Jr." - Roman Catholic

    56th Governor of New York
    "Andrew Mark Cuomo" - Roman Catholic

    107th Mayor of New York City
    "Rudolph William Louis "Rudy" Giuliani" - Roman Catholic

    46th Governor of Kansas
    "Samuel Dale "Sam" Brownback" - Roman Catholic

    73rd Governor of Rhode Island
    "Donald L. "Don" Carcieri" - Roman Catholic

    55th Governor of New Jersey
    "Christopher James "Chris" Christie" - Roman Catholic

    47th Governor of Michigan
    "Jennifer Granholm" - Roman Catholic

    55th Governor of Louisiana
    "Piyush "Bobby" Jindal" - Roman Catholic

    74th Governor of Maine
    "Paul Richard LePage" - Roman Catholic

    31st Governor of New Mexico
    "Susana Martinez" - Roman Catholic

    71st Governor of Virginia
    "Robert Francis "Bob" McDonnell" - Roman Catholic

    61st Governor of Maryland
    "Martin Joseph O'Malley" - Roman Catholic

    31st Governor of South Dakota
    "Marion Michael "Mike" Rounds" - Roman Catholic

    29th Governor of Nevada
    "Brian Edward Sandoval" - Roman Catholic

    23rd Governor of Montana
    "Brian David Schweitzer" - Roman Catholic

    54th Mayor of Chicago
    "Richard Michael Daley" - Roman Catholic

    61st Mayor of New Orleans, Louisiana
    "Mitchell Joseph "Mitch" Landrieu" - Roman Catholic

    ...

    38th Governor of California
    "Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger" - Roman Catholic

    ...

    ...not to mentions the powerful positions of the Chicago and New York Bishoprics, alongside the Vatican's Ambassador to the US, and its permanent observer status at the U.N, and convening in session for the See of Rome.

    ...not to mention the many other roles in media, news, film, directors, actors, television, music, sports (owners/players), chiefs of police, military, local judges, etc and various other organizations directly operating within the United States, Jesuits (special military/political orders), Opus Dei (political arm, special prelature, directly subservient to the See of Rome), Knights of Columbus (military order), Knights of Malta (military order), various other 'knights' and organizations.
     

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