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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by IAMWEAK_2007, Jul 19, 2011.
Is Noah saved?
It would certainly seem so from Hebrews 11, verses 7 & 13-16:
7 By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. 15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
Those things couldn't be said of an unsaved person.
I wonder what led you to pose the question.
What could be the important lesson we can learn form these verses?
Gen 9:19 These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread.
Gen 9:20 And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
Gen 9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
Gen 9:22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
Gen 9:23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
Gen 9:24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him.
Gen 9:25 And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.
Gen 9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
Gen 9:27 God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
Gen 9:28 And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years.
Gen 9:29 And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died.
I think someone said that Noah walked the aisle at one of Dr Bobs revivals :laugh: :smilewinkgrin:
It shows that even though Naoh is saved by Faith he was still capable of sin. Then because of what happened with Noah knowing what the younger son did he placed a curse on the Canaan Ham's youngest son. What do we know about the Canaanites, they were a wicked people but there is a specific thing we see in this people.
Gen. 10:18 And the Arvadite, and the Zemarite, and the Hamathite: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.
19 And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha.
20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.
The curse on them was not because of just looking on Noah's nakedness but notice they were in the cities which God destroyed and only 3 people came out alive, that was Lot and his daughters. Five cities were destroyed because they were as the term is now Sodomites. This links all the way back to the event you ask about.
Noah was saved but gave into to sin just as we do and that lead to other sin and a curse upon a people because of that sin. Numbers 14:18 The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. This is seen with the Cananite people which are the descendents of Canaan the son of Ham.
Since God saved him out from the Flood, and since named in Bible as being "of faith and rightous"
Would have to say Yes!
Noah was human just like the rest of us. Like Peter he needed his feet washed probably more often than not. Every great man of God in the Bible sinned. Let me think. Job, Moses, Abraham, David, Solomon...
Agreed, all were saved solely/only by the Grace of God!
same for all of us redeemed today also!
Are you saying that these verses are what prompted your original question? If so, I would repeat what I said in post 2 on this thread. After the event those verses refer to, God's Word says things about Noah which could not be said of an unsaved man.
There are many people in the bible who are spoken of as God's people, saved in other words, even though like Noah they did evil in God's sight. Abraham lied, David committed adultery and murder, the disciples deserted Jesus when He was arrested, and Peter even denied ever knowing Jesus. Such things are not an excuse for us to act in the same way, but they are an encouragement to us not to think that Christ would forsake those whom He has saved.
But maybe that's not what you meant at all, and as often happens with me, I've misunderstood you .
Took the quote right out of my mouth, Brother David!!!!!!!!!