Northern Aggression and Southern Scars

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  1. Maverick

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    Northern Aggression and Southern Scars

    For some the conflict of the 1860s is known as the War Between the States. This is not an accurate title since once the Southern states seceded they were another country and thus this was not a battle among states, but between two separate countries. It has been called the Civil War, but there was nothing civil about it. The War of Southern Independence or The War of Northern Aggression are more appropriate terms for this conflict. For indeed, the South was fighting to maintain its independence and the North was the aggressor.

    It has been said that the South has never gotten over losing the war and hence the holding on to the various symbols and the battle cry of “The South shall rise again.” It is more probable that the North has never gotten over winning it or more likely, has never gotten over the guilt of it and hence the persistent vilification of the South until this day.

    Recently, a black journalist out of Baltimore decried the defense of car tags issued to the Sons of the Confederate Veterans that bore their symbol, which includes a Confederate battle flag. He claims that they should be denied on a basis of patriotism because the flag represents a caste of traitors and a failed rebellion. This is an interesting concept considering that none of the leaders of the Confederacy were ever brought to trial on treason. Since secession was their right and denied them by military force it, would not have fared well for the heroes of the Republic to bring to light their own crimes by seeking to prosecute the innocent.

    We are a nation founded by secession. We seceded from England. Just read the Declaration of Independence and you will see that the founding fathers were not advocating an “indivisible” union. The first sentence reads:

    “When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station. To which the laws of Nature and Nature’s God entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the cause which impel them to the Separation.”

    Where in this do you see precedence for an everlasting Union? They saw the Political Bands between England and themselves as a contract that could be broken. So how could we think the bands between the North and South should be any different just because a new continent is involved. We live in a nation of broken contracts. There are lawyers who specialize in contract law and with all the fine print and red tape, suits, etc. A contract can be broken. What is inviolate about a political contract? Nothing except that generations of Americans have been taught that it was so in order to cover the tyranny of the Lincoln Republicans.

    The very next sentence sets up the everlasting status of the first. If you have unalienable rights and one of those is the ability to alter or abolish your government, where in the effort to do so can there be treason? It cannot be possible in principle. It can be possible in practice when dishonorable men who claim to uphold the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the precepts of our Founding Fathers deny them and suppress by force the free exercise of another’s unalienable rights. They can call it treason, but in reality, the men who suppress the right are the traitors and guilty of treason against the foundational principles of the land in which they govern. It is they who should be tried and convicted. Lincoln should have been impeached and the South allowed to go its way in peace. I submit that the leaders of the Confederacy are falsely charged with treason, as are their admirers. The South was and is slandered unjustly until this day.

    The question of slavery is always a vibrant one when speaking of the South and the late unpleasantness. The accusation that the South had slaves is a fact. However, the South did not invent this practice. There have been slaves since the Ancient Near Eastern times. The history of the Hebrews has been one of slavery and freedom. There were slaves in the days of Rome. They were called serfs in Europe. The African slaves were brought from their African owners. No one is innocent in the issue of slavery. Even the Native Americans practiced it. Iroquois Indians of the New York region had African slaves. Free blacks practiced slavery. Most of the ships that brought them had Northern ports of call, hence the name Yankee Clippers. Yet, the Confederacy and the Southern people bear the burden and vilification as a slave owning, racist, hateful people. I do not condone slavery now nor do I justify it then. I do strongly resent it being a “Southern thing”.

    Due to the slavery issue, all who fought for the Cause are made out to be evil, demonic, pre-evolutionary savages. When in reality, a very small portion of the Southern populace actually owned slaves. The Southern Baptists have recently apologized about the slave issue. Ironically, their only sin was their theological interpretation since most of the Southern Baptists at that time were far too poor to own anything so expensive as a slave. The expense itself would lend to the exaggeration of the abuse of slaves by their Southern owners. Frankly, they could not have afforded a slave for very long. Our society of the “bottom line” should understand that. I am not denying that there were abuses and even atrocities, but not to the extent that some would declare to be true. It would have been poor business and one cannot maintain an extravagant plantation by exercising poor business practices.

    Since it has been taught that the primary reason for the Civil War was slavery, then the battle flag has become a symbol of racial hatred. This has not always been so, and it is not the same in other countries. True, the battle flag has been used by the Klan and racists, but so has the American flag. On the cover of a 1981 issue of Triad magazine, published in North Carolina, there is a full body shot of a Klansman in his robe standing in front of an American flag holing the Bible and a shotgun. Therefore I submit that if the Confederate battle flag is a symbol of racial hate, then so is the American flag and we should seek to ban it as well as the Bible and shotguns. Although there have been movements against the Bible and guns for many years, I have yet to see one on the American flag since the Klan likes to wrap itself in it. The abuse of a symbol does not make the symbol itself evil. Men fought and died under that flag for states rights and principles of freedom as honorable as those at the Concord Bridge or Valley Forge. Their memory and their symbols should not be banished because of the ignorance and hatred of present maniacs.

    Recently, the Dallas Morning News, carried a picture of students protesting in Belgrade carrying a Rebel battle flag. Afghanistan freedom fighters flew a battle flag during the Russian oppression of their country. To other countries it is a noble symbol of brave men fighting for a just cause, even though it be lost. Only since the NAACP declared war on it ten years ago has it truly been labeled a symbol of hate. Most Yankees would just call it a Southern flag and if you eat lunch at the Old Orleans restaurant in Edinburgh, Scotland you will see a sign that says “Welcome to the Home of Southern Hospitality” and you will find a Confederate Battle Flag on its dessert menu. The flag is just that - a symbol of the Southern culture and heritage, nothing more. It is brutally attacked by people of Northern culture and heritage and by Southerners who have believed in their propaganda.

    There are wounds that have never healed from the War of Northern Aggression. Many of these wounds are being rubbed with salt even today. Politicians in New York and Pennsylvania have removed the Georgia state flag from their displays and authored legislation to rebuke Georgia. Obviously all the children in New York and Pennsylvania are well educated and fed frequently, there is no crime, and their economy is perfect. At least it appears to be so, since they have nothing better to discuss or fight then another sovereign state’s banner.

    We are still fighting the primary issue of the War of Northern Aggression, and that is state’s rights. Slavery was an ethical issue that needed to be dealt with by the individual states, not by centralized mandates, especially when it only pertained to some states and not all. Definitely so, since General Grant maintained slaves until four years after the war whereas General Lee freed immediately those he received through marriage. A state flag is that, a state flag and only that state’s business. Desegregation should have been a state issue, not a Federal one. If the North had been so concerned about slaves in the 1860’s, they could have shared their technology rather than using it to exploit the South, and slavery would have ceased by the sheer fact of economic expediency. Slavery was moving in that direction and would have possibly been extinct by the 1870’s without Lincoln’s intervention. Again, please note that the great Liberator only liberated Southern slaves in his Emancipation Proclamation. Also note the near genocide only a few years later of the Native Americans. I really do not see a program of Civil Rights in the victor’s policy. They enslaved the Native Americans on reservations. Reservations or plantations, there is no difference. I’m sorry, but slavery was not a real issue in the war, it was only a smokescreen.

    I close with quotes about Afro-Confederates as an admonition to those who would desecrate the memory of white Confederates. When you unjustly abuse the South, you abuse not only whites, but also blacks, and reds that fought for the Cause. I salute those white, black and red men who were willing to die for their beliefs and their homeland.

    “To the majority of the Negroes, as to all the South, the invading armies of the Union seemed to be ruthlessly attacking independent States, invading the beloved homeland and trampling upon all that these men held dear.” - Charles H. Wesley 1.

    Some Negroes, however, soon became disillusioned because of the hardships they experienced during the early months of their freedom. Nine hundred freedmen assembled at Mobile on August 13, 1865, and by a vote of seven hundred to two hundred declared that the realities of freedom “were far from being so flattering as their imaginations had painted it, that the prejudices of color were not confined to the South, but stronger and more marked on the part of the strangers from the North.” - Robert D. Reid 2.

    Former mayor John Dodson ... presented them with a Confederate flag, assuring them that when they returned they would “reap a rich reward of praise, and merit, from a thankful people.” Charles Tinsley, a bricklayer and a “corner workman,” acted as a spokesman for the Negroes. His remarks in acceptance of the flag were brief: “We are willing to aid Virginia’s cause to the utmost of our ability ... There is not an unwilling heart among us, not a hand but will tell on work before us: and we promise unhesitating obedience to all orders that may be given us.” - Benjamin Quarles 3.

    Endnotes


    1. Wesley, Charles H. “Quotations on Black Confederates,” Credenda Genda Volume 9
    Number 1, Moscow, Idaho, Community Evangelical Fellowship, pg.2.

    2. Reid, Robert D. “Quotations on Black Confederates,” pg.2.

    3. Quarles, Benjamin “Quotations on Black Confederates,” pg2.

    Bibliography Page


    1. Flags of the World, E.M.C. Barraclough, copyright 1971 by Frederick Warne & Co, LTD.
    London, England.

    2. Quotations on Black Confederates, Credenda Agenda Volume 9 Number 1, Community
    Evangelical Fellowship, Moscow, Idaho.

    3. A Short History of the United States, Allan Nevins and Henry Steele Commager, Fifth
    Edition, copyright 1968 by Alfred A. Knopf, Inc.

    4. The International Flag Book, Christian Fogd Pedersen, copyright 1971 by Blandford Press
    Ltd.

    5. “Britain Looks South,” Oran P. Smith, Southern Partisan Volume XVI, Second Quarter
    1996.

    6. The Union Sundered, T. Harry Williams, The Life History of the United States Volume 5:
    1849-1865, copyright 1963 by Time Inc.

    7. The Union Restored, T. Harry Williams, The Life History of the United States Volume 6:
    1861-1876, copyright 1963 by Time Inc.
     
  2. jarhed

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    More fuel for the fire. The winners write the history, but they cannot change the facts. The second war was fought for the same reasons and purposes as the first. It was constitutionally supportable only from the side of the sessionists. Regards.
     
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    And sadly, "might makes right" and we all lost.

    Every time I abide by the federally-imposed speed limit over the wishes of my state (limit is "conditions") and it takes me an extra hour wasted driving, I am reminded what losing the war was about.
     
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    Dr Bob,
    Technically, there was never a federaly imposed speed limit :confused: . The federal govt said if a State did not lower its speed limt (to 55), then that State would loose Federal Highway funds :eek: . I always called it the Federal Blackmail Speedlimit :mad: .
    I actually find the blackmail more appaling :( then just having the guts to come out and pass the law.
    Of course the notion of withhelding federal funds is an ole' trick of the Federal govt :rolleyes: .

    Save your Dixe cups! The South shall rise again [​IMG]

    Salty
     
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    Someone said: "Although truth may be suppressed and crushed by force, it is the truth nonetheless."

    Deo Vindice
     
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    I used to work in the History Stacks (closed to students)
    in the University of Oklahoma(OU) /1973-1975/. There were
    lots of USGovernment Documents there. The 'Civil War'
    ('civil' means 'in-house', not 'polite') was variously called:

    The War of the Secession
    The War of the Rebellion
    War Between the States
    Civil War

    Personally I live BY CHOICE in a state which was not around
    in that war, what ever the war is called. Instead I live in the
    state which at that time is where the USGovernment sent the
    Native Americans which had survived the Ethnic Cleansing back east.

    We have scars in Oklahoma also.
    We are paying out the nose taxes for those Ethnic Cleansing survivors :(
    Our fathers sowed the wind; we the children have reaped the tornado.
     
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    "We are paying out the nose taxes for those Ethnic Cleansing survivors"----------------------------------------------------------------------

    This is a story that has two sides too. But only one ever gets told. But I am courious, what kind of tax are you tlking about.
     
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    On this side of the river
    I pay for a yearly car tag tax, 112$.
    Across the river in the Choctaw Nation such a tag would
    cost only $65. The tag bought in my country goes mostly
    to county expences. The tag bought in Choctaw Nation
    goes mostly to running the Choctaw Nation.
    I did an unscientific survey recently and 12% of the cars
    in my neighborhood have Indian tags but non-Indian drivers.
    I have to make up in my tag tax for my neighbors that
    don't buy county tags.

    68% of the US Budget is entitlement programs.
    I paid about 8,800$ last year for US entitlement programs
    for which I do not qualify.

    Here are some of the Indian taxes:

    Lottery tax
    Cassino tax
    Tag tax
    Horse Racing tax

    (fortunately i only pay the tag tax ;) )

    BTW, i consider it poor form for Southerners
    who chased the American Indians from their
    territory using the USGovernment decided that
    they didn't need to stay in the union.
    Sorry if you get a government to do your
    ethnic clensing for you, you are stuck with
    that government :(
     
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    "BTW, i consider it poor form for Southerners
    who chased the American Indians from their
    territory using the USGovernment decided that
    they didn't need to stay in the union.
    Sorry if you get a government to do your
    ethnic clensing for you, you are stuck with
    that government "------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I have often been confused about the way that indian reservations work. Out here they are supposed ot be soverign nations and often have laws that are at odds with state laws, but they still get to participate in state elections????

    I think there are two sides to the story though. Since I have been out here, I have read many accounts of indian raids and massicers. Seems they wanted to clens the area of any lone setteler who wanted to put a sod house on a prerrie that might see and indian once in a blue moon. I guess they thought there was no room for white in this vast land. In Lincolin, where the Lincolin war was fought. That was a local cattle baron war involving Billy the Kid. There stands a lone mansonry tower. It predates the United States. It was used for the Spanish settelers to seek refuge during indian raids on there lone little community. It seems the winner gets to be the devil in this case. And the looser get to be innocents.
     
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    The "Revolution" was a civil war because the colonies didn not want to change the govt at Whitehall. The "Civil War" was a revolution because Lincoln changed out form of govt and nullified the Dec of Inde.
     
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    I wasn't aware that the D of I was ever a document of law.
     
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    OP speaks my mind. Worse yet, Nashville was taken over by the Union. Just bought a DVD with lots of old pics - a lot of brave men lost their lives in these parts between the Battle of Murfreesboro, Battle of Franklin, and Battle of Nashville. :(

    I will never be ashamed of my Confederate flag or the fact that I'm a distant cousin of Stonewall, a Godly man was he. Can't say the same for Sherman. Evil. The good guys don't always win. :(
     
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    The Battle of Nashville is my favorite of the entire Civil War.
     
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    You are correct (of course) and the real BAD THING? IT IS WYOMING TAX MONEY that they are holding - they "collected" it for State use, then if the State doesn't kow-tow to Federalism, they don't give us our $$ back.

    Hate Abe Lincoln more and more each day . . :eek:
     
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    "I will never be ashamed of my Confederate flag or the fact that I'm a distant cousin of Stonewall"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    A cousin of Stonwall??? I salute you!
     
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    Oh, I don't think so--I believe that I'll see Old Stonewall when I get to heaven--not so sure about W.T.
     
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    Civil war? There was nothing civil about it except the rotten bummers in Sherman's army made war on civilians. On the other hand, when Lee marched into PA, he instructed his soldiers not to take anything that they didn't pay for. It was the War of Northern Agression or the War for Southern Independence.
     
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    My mistake. The Battle of Nashville is my favorite of the entire War of Rebellion.
     
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    Nope--them Yankees never had any rule over us so there was no rebellion either. It was aggression--pure and simple!
     

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