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Not taking "communion"

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Abiyah, Sep 20, 2003.

  1. thessalonian

    thessalonian New Member

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    My point remains. Catholicism is rooted in Judaism. I am not that familiar with Messianic Jews. But Jews before Jesus (not Jews for Jesus) did practice these things. Protestantism to one degree or another rids all of their practices of anything Jewish. Paul himself went to the temple even after he converted to Christianity. I am just inviting you to check it out. If you choose not to that is up to you. I know it offends many people when we suggest that they check in to what Catholicism really teaches and what our reasoning is for it. Sorry if that is the case.

    Blessings
     
  2. thessalonian

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    "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control...let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other." Gal.5.22,26 </font>[/QUOTE]They deleted that? They post that kind of stuff about our Eucharist all the time. Talk about thin skin.
     
  3. Abiyah

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    No, Thess! I am not at all offended! I just don't
    agree! :) And if I could, I would listen to the
    message. :)
     
  4. John Gilmore

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    I have a questions for Roman Catholics. Does your church still exclude non-Catholics (e.g., Anglicans, Lutherans, etc.) from the Sacrament? If so, how is this enforced in a world where denomination boundaries are increasingly being blurred due to the ecumenical movement?
     
  5. trying2understand

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    Very often, in the front of Hymnals and Readings books in the pews is a little reminder that non-Catholics should not receive Communion because of the doctrinal differences between our respective denominations.

    I have also heard a verbal request from Father or some other person prior to a Mass when there are most likely non-Catholics present such as a wedding Mass.

    Obviously there is no ID check. [​IMG]
     
  6. Abiyah

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    Since this has gone off into many areas, which is
    fine with me as the thread originator, I was just
    wondering about something that is not a big deal at
    all, but I was wondering anyway! :-D

    I noted that you said you would ask "Father." Do
    RCs also call their fathers "Father" or is that term
    reserved only for priests?

    Oh! Here are some more questions:

    Where did the word, "host" (for your wafer) come
    from? Do each of you drink from her or his own
    little cup during communion or al of you drink
    from the same cup (or two or three)? Do you have
    a wine line and a juice line?

    I have noted that the RCC seems to have devel-
    oped its own languages, as churches often do.
    Where did the word, See, come from?


    Thanks.
     
  7. Johnv

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    I'm not a practicing Catholic, but I can answer the question.

    The RCC practices closed communion. That is, communion given only to members of that denomination. While most churches practice open communion in one form or another, many churches practice closed communion as well.

    However, in cases where non-Catholics are expected to be present (such as an interdenominational wedding), the priest will sometimes administer consecrated communion to practicing Catholics, and unconsecrated communion to non-Catholics, thus allowing non-Catholics to partake in the Lord's supper without the need to adhere to or comprehend any related doctrines of the RCC. This is usually arranged prior to the event.
     
  8. Abiyah

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    JohnV --

    Can you answer my questions above? Thank you.
     
  9. Johnv

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    There are different levels of pastorship: Brother, Father, and Bishop, for example. It's most appropriate to refer to men in any of those positions as "Reverend", but to refer to them as Brother, Father, or Bishop is acceptible as well, although this is less formal. And yes, Catholics refer to their male parents as Father as well, although my own daughters have other names for me I'd rather not repeat.

    The word host comes from an ancient latin reference meaning sacrifice (or the one who sacrifices himself). Host often referrs to the bread, but can mean the wine also. It is somewhat similar to our contamporary usage as the word "host" as the one who serves, as in the host of a banquet.

    Because communion is celebrated every day in Catholicism, the informal communion celebrations involve simply the bread (though both bread and wine are present). In the more formal celebrations, communion involves both the bread and wine. The wine is usually distributed from a commun cup, or chalice (usually several). Each person takes a sip. A lay minister usually assists with the cup, wiping the rim and turining it slightly for the next person. However, it is not forbidden for the wine to be served in small cups, as is often the protestant fashion. In catholicism, only altar wine (wine made especially for communion) is used, there is no grape juice.

    The biggest difference between Catholic communion and Protestant communion is that, in the RCC, people leave the pews to receive communion from a specific point in the church, while Protestantism usually distributes communion to a seated congregation in the pews.

    As for the linguistic differences, much of the phraseaology is derived from Latin and Greek, while in Protestantism, it is often derived from more contemporary language (due in part to the cultural separation caused by the Protestant Reformation).
     
  10. Abiyah

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    Thank you for answering, John. I appreciate it.

    With regard to the wine, they don't have grape juice
    for those who do not take wine -- like people who
    are ill or for alcoholics?
     
  11. John Gilmore

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    I'm another John on this thread but I'd like to answer that question. Catholics can correct me if I am wrong.

    Latin rite Catholics consecrate only unleavened wheat bread and grape wine. This is not a problem for alcoholics because they need not receive the Cup. According to Catholic teaching, the Lord's Body and Blood are present in either the Host or the Cup.

    I understand that Primitive Baptists also insist on the exclusive use of unleavened wheat bread and grape wine. I doubt that alcoholics are permitted grape juice.

    Many Lutherans insist that only unleavened wheat bread and grape wine are to be used. However, alcoholics may dip the consecrated Bread into the Cup (Intinction). More liberal Lutherans permit the use of grape juice by alcoholics and some Lutherans even permit the use of rice bread by those who are allergic to grain (celiacs).
     
  12. Abiyah

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    Thank you, John.

    I don't know very much about drinking or about
    alcoholism. I just thought they would be fine using
    grape juice and that churches would provide it for
    them. Just a matter of curiosity!! :) At my
    synagogue, we have both wine and juice.
     
  13. gb93433

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    When I was a Catholic and not born again I took the elements as a good Catholic boy all the time.
     
  14. gb93433

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    Wasn't Jesus living when he said those words? I can't imagine Him pulling out a knife and slicing off a piece of Himself for the disciples to eat.

    In 1 Cor 12:27 Paul writes, "Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it."

    This verse speaks of believers as Christ's body. Now are we a chunk of His flesh too?

    In 1 Cor. 11:23-27, "For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me." In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord."

    When Paul speaks of this time he speaks of the bread and the cup.
     
  15. John Gilmore

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    Wasn't Jesus living when he said those words? I can't imagine Him pulling out a knife and slicing off a piece of Himself for the disciples to eat.

    In 1 Cor 12:27 Paul writes, "Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it."

    This verse speaks of believers as Christ's body. Now are we a chunk of His flesh too?

    In 1 Cor. 11:23-27, "For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me." In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me." For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes. Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord."

    When Paul speaks of this time he speaks of the bread and the cup.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Neither Jesus nor Paul are liars. The sacramental union of the Body and Blood of Christ with the bread and wine is beyond human understanding. We must simply accept the words of scripture and neither add nor subtract according to our human reason.
     
  16. Johnv

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    I believe they do, but I'm not completely certain.
     
  17. Abiyah

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    Twice, I have tried to drink wine at my synagogue.
    Wow, that stuff is nasty. I would sooner drink the
    rinse water from the dishwasher. (I was going to
    write the dishwater from the dishwasher, but I
    have to draw the line somewhere.) I am glad they
    have both, but a couple Sabbaths ago, they ran
    out, and all that was left was wine. I don't think I
    even drank an eighth of a teaspoon of that stuff,
    and I told my husband, "I just don't think I can do
    this." YUCK!


    DOUBLE YUCK!


    It tasted like something had died in it!
     
  18. moeowo

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    Are the two of you the same religion? If you are I don't see a problem taking it. But if the church you go to holds say the symbolic nature of the Lord's Supper and your husbands hold a view of it being literally the blood and body of Christ...then I would say don't do it.

    If I visit a church (like Catholic, Lutheran, Methodist etc etc ...) that is not my religion (which is Southen Baptist) that hold a literal view over my symbolic view I can't in good conscience take part in the service. I feel it endorses their view of it. I don't see how it could be a sin not to participate in a view (intrepretation) I don't hold. Go with your heart...not by what others say.


     
  19. Paul of Eugene

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    [​IMG] I don't care what all the affectionatoes say about it, wine is just good juice gone bad!
     
  20. Abiyah

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    Moeowo --

    (Love that name -- sounds like something a cat
    would say wile winding itself around your ankles,
    tail in the air, begging for you to pet it.)

    No, my husband and I are of different religions. He
    is a member of a Nazarene church. I have a real
    hard time with some of their traditions, and this is
    one of them. It seems they are doing "communion"
    everytime I go.

    I haven't been there for a service in months, though.
    I finally admitted to my husband a few weeks ago
    that it is just too hard for me to go there. I will not
    likely go there again on a Sunday morning
    because of this and a few othe things, but I don't
    mind going to their Sunday night Bible study on
    occasion. This way, I won't have to deal with this
    anymore.

    Thank you!
     
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