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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Crabtownboy, Aug 9, 2015.
Who would not be welcomed in your church?
Nudists in their natural habitat would not be welcomed in my church.
We have never excluded anyone from attending. I do not know of a church that has excluded anyone from attending.
Joining is a whole different topic.
Anyone is welcome to attend. However, if someone were to stir up trouble or try bringing in doctrines that are opposed to those taught by the church, then they would quickly removed and asked as politely as possible to not return.
I do not know how old you are, but there were huge numbers of churches that would not let the wrong type of person worship inside their church when I was a kid. Let's hope that never happens again.
Gandhi said that he might have become a Christian if he had ever met one. While a student in London he was refused entrance to church because he was from India.
Funny, the English sent missionaries to India to convert them to Christianity, but if those Christians came to England they were be refused the right to worship in an English church.
So what was the point of the question in the first place, if you're thinking about something that happened when you were a kid and you basically admit it doesn't happen now? (By your words "let's hope that never happens again")
No, I read III John this morning and that prompted the question in my mind.
Gandhi went to London in 1888. I don't know how old you are but I suspect Gandhi was before your time. And what does III John have to do with folks being kept out of churches?
IOW, you are trying to remove the splinter in our eye, but you ignore the log in your own.
I agree with Don; without some specific reference (a once 50+ years ago instance doesn't count), what did you aim to accomplish; that is, other than just "stirring the pot"!:sleep:
Our church excluded a member (who was a children's teacher) from attending. He was caught up in a crime against a minor (soliciting) as the parents of the minor intersected his texts. Both the minor and her family, as well as his wife and children (they are now separated), attend our church. He was counseled and several members of our congregation has extended help in love, but at the same time there were consequences to this sin. I don't know if it is right or wrong, but he was asked not to attend the church. It was causing conflict with his family, the family of his intended victim, and of course most parents with tween -aged girls. So....now you know of a church that has excluded someone from attending. Glad I could help :thumbsup:
When folks from my church first encountered the man who is now our elder for family life & youth, he was a long-haired, bearded criminal selling drugs on the street next to the church campus.
Our founding pastor knew his father well and because of this parent's concern for his son, our founding pastor eventually was able to reach this teenage vagrant with the Gospel of Christ.
This hippy-looking bum took some time to realize the evil he was encouraging some of his friends to participate--for some of them it was too late for some already had a jail record, and some even committed suicide as a result of a drug overdose.
Eventually he sensed the HS working in his life....working to, as the prodigal son did, come to his senses. After this period of deep soul-searching and eventual multiple acts of repentance both to God and to those he led astray, the HS changed him completely.
He's now a man that many of our young people want to emulate his close walk with Christ. This very morning (08/09/2015) a dozen of "his youth" were led to become covenant members of our church and eventual mentors for others in their families.
As padredurand indicated, this is what our churches need to focus on, not on folks who at first glance don't appear to meet some of our hypocritical standards of the kind of people we think God approves.
Some century and a half ago a poorly-dressed and somewhat shabby looking young man slipped into a church meeting to hear an evangelist's challenge to surrender his life so completely to Jesus so that He can use him to reach those around him with the Good News of Salvation through Christ alone.
That rather poorly educated young man was Dwight L. Moody.
Excluding a member for misconduct and keeping a feller from coming because he looked like Gandhi are two different things. The feller in your case should've been strung up out back of the barn and given ample opportunity to repent.
The OP inferred the church was excluding folks because they were Ferners, Funny Talking Folk, Dirty-Haired Hippies and Prius owners.
The person in my case WAS "given ample opportunity to repent."
He repented, and has proven time and again that his repentance(s) were genuine.
Isn't that what 2 Corinthians 2:6-10 urges a church to do?
Or is there something more that our church failed to do for him?
If there is more we should do for him, please post the NT passages that indicate what else we should do for him and I'll bring it to the attention of our elders, deacons, and other people in church leadership positions so that they can take the additional Biblical actions in his behalf.
Thanks in advance for supplying me with these additional NT verses. :wavey:
PS---What's the damning sin(s) of folks who are "Ferners, Funny Talking Folk, Dirty-Haired Hippies and Prius owners? The person in my post at first was almost exactly like these people. BTW, he also drove a Prius--something I've never read in my Bible is the car Satan developed and drove.
A former Minister of Missional Life, who embezzled funds.
I didn't mean to literally string him up and give him ample opportunity to repent. That was one of those idiomatic thingamajigs in replying to JonC's post about the church member messing with girls. I probably should have said he needed to be taken out back of the barn and shot. That would have kept away any confusion. :thumbsup:
Now the feller you were talking about would describe about half the folks in my church. Grace is an amazing thing. One of our feller's testimony is, "I don't have to tell you how bad I was to tell you how good God is."
Now back to the OP. The bait the OP threw in implies the church is operating in an evil fashion. Churches with white folks are keeping the black folks out; red-blooded American churches won't let foreign looking folks through the door and uppity moneyed churches don't want to be soiled by poor folk. To prove his point he told us about Gandhi being kept out of an English church in 1888. I'm not biting.
Please read III John very slowly and carefully keeping in mind the subject of welcoming and authority. I think you will see why the question came to my mind.
3 John 1:4-8 NAS77
4 I have no greater joy than this, to hear of my children walking in the truth.
5 Beloved, you are acting faithfully in whatever you accomplish for the brethren, and especially when they are strangers;
6 and they bear witness to your love before the church; and you will do well to send them on their way in a manner worthy of God.
7 For they went out for the sake of the Name, accepting nothing from the Gentiles.
8 Therefore we ought to support such men, that we may be fellow workers with the truth.
I wasn't aware the church was in the habit of excluding traveling preachers.
It's quite clear that neither Crabtownboy or Ghandi have any ideas whatsoever about how the Holy Spirit works.
A loud disruptive person