Notes on the Principles and Practices of Baptist Churches, Pt1

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  1. Squire Robertsson

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    Over the last few months, I have come to sense some of y'all are ignorant of the roots many IF and Historic Baptist Churches. I put this down to the fact that the SBC sector is large enough (much like the pre-1965 US economy) to be fairly self-contained. Thus, the consternation I sense when someone like myself is less than enthusiastic about the SBC.

    The following is from Dr. Francis Wayland's book of the above title printed in 1857:
    I will be posting further snips dealing with the question of representation as Dr. Wayland put it in other threads.
     
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    What are you insinuating? Maybe no one has bitten because they are like me scratching their heads wondering what you are trying to say.
     
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    I mean we consider ourselves "Independent" for good reason. And I mean our view of SBC churches as less than fully independent and autonomous has a historic basis. In other words, the position didn't spring forth de novo two generations ago. Nor did the position come from any Primitive, Landmark, Missionary, et al. Baptist influence.

    I believe in Pt. 2 Dr. Wayland explains why he thinks Baptist Churches cannot be represented.
     
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    The Book you quote may have been printed in 1857 but Dr. Wayland is referring to a meeting that apparently was held during the time when Andrew Jackson was President of the USA. That would have been somewhere between 1829-1837, My guess would have it being in 1831, which would have predated the formation of the SBC by almost 15 years.

    Regardless of the "Independent" distaste for Associations and Conventions, the associations and conventions represented the mainstream of Baptist History for over 300 years and it is the "Independents" who moved outside the historical precedent and tradition.
     
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    Wayland was talking about the Triennial Convention (which included both northern and southern churches). The convention was renamed the American Baptist Missionary Union after the split with the Southern Baptists in 1845.
     
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    Hardsheller, could you please show me regular Northern Baptist associations beyond the the State level between the breakup of the Triennial Convention and the post 1900 formation of the Northern Baptist Convention. As far as I know there were none. A good example of how a traditional Northern Baptist State Association operate(s)(d) is the Minnesota Baptist Association. I'll let Dr. Bob speak to the ins and outs of the group.

    We did organize ourselves functionally in support of various ministries, e.g. The Northern Baptist Home and Foriegn Missionary Society, The Northern Baptist Bible and Publication Society, ect. But these were organizations of like minded individuals not of churchs. Yes, a church may or may not have one or more of these in its budget.

    What I see here is a SBC centeric view of the Baptist Galaxy. We Northern Baptists operated on differnet organizing principles. But, we were bound together by a rope of sand.
     
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    Ok, I misunderstood your implications. I thought you were saying that "Independent" Northern Baptist Churches eschewed ALL associations and conventions after the breakup of the Triennial Convention.

    As far as your example of the Minnesota Baptist Association goes - From what I could learn on the web site they are not far removed from what most SBC State Conventions are like.

    We SBC'ers are not blind to the dangers of Convention entanglements and are seeing an erosion of allegiance and trust between the churches and the state conventions and the national convention. This may well push SBC Churches back to the historical Associational model which is our true Baptist Heritage.
     
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    I agree. The Baptists in the north followed the society method, while the suthrens locked into the convention method. Before 1907 there was no such animal in the north. I think even the Triennial Convention (not its real name) was not a convention on the order of the SBC.
    Also not being SBC Squire, I understand your frustration. But the SBC numerically is such a majority in the US, I suppose it's hard for many to not think that way. Even many who are no longer SBC used to be.
     
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    — David E. Hankins, The Relation of the Southern Baptist Convention to Its Entities

    (The Triennial Convention's official name was the General Missionary Convention of the Baptist Denomination in the United States of America for Foreign Missions, which explains why almost everyone refers to it as the Triennial Convention.)
     
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    this is the nub of the matter. Many of us who through our spiritual DNA left the Northern Baptist Convention in 1947 with the formation of the CBA (I'll not attempt to speak for those on the GARBC side of the family. They left the NBC in the '30s and formed the GARBC in '32.) have returned to a societal model for our inter-church relations.
     

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