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nothing wrong with harry potter

Discussion in 'Youth Forum' started by jabezguy, Oct 26, 2002.

  1. C.S. Murphy

    C.S. Murphy New Member

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    Until the moderator gives me a better reason then:

    I deleted your post on the youth forum today because I felt it's promotion of harry potter was reckless especially in a youth forum.

    I will repost my post

    ***As Margie pointed out moderators have the right to edit and delete and yes I felt yours was at first reckless and then after I notified you of such you began ranting about guns and unfit parents so once again I deleted. But now let's look at your view on the potter movie.
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    You people deliver not a generation of warriors ready to do battle for the glory of God - but of ignorant adults who only have been taught two things - That they are Christian - and how to use guns! They are not wise to the tricks of the enemy - because you have not trained them.

    ***My children may not be wise to the enemy if that means to allow them to view everything hollywood sends their way, my ten year old laughs every time the potter saga is mentioned whether it be on a coke bottle or on clothing at the mall. He knows three things about the series. #1 his dad doesn't approve of it. #2 Harry practices and glorifies the occult #3 God's word teaches us that witchcraft is evil. I don't appreciate you labeling my son as a future ignorant adult and I also don't like the insinuation that parents that don't agree with you are ignorant.

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    The truth is the focus of the series is not magic - but rather being willing to stand up to evil - to do what is right even at great personal cost - to stand up for your friends - and in the end because of all these things be rescued by them.

    ***That is your opinion and also the view of hollywood and the series writer. All of you are welcome to that view but I feel God has a different view. As a moderator I feel that you are reckless with this promotion and reguardless of what some say I feel a good many young people read this forum, my ten yr old has before and I hope to keep it a safe environment for him and others. If you wish to promote your and hollywoods view of the movie I think other forums might be better.
    ------------------------------------------- truth is all of you stand ready to condemn

    ***That is an unfair label
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    The truth is that when your children grow and get exposed to something similar - they wont be able to handle it - and will fall
    The truth is that because people do not take the time to explain things to their children rather preferring to isolate them - that they weaken them and leave them ill-prepared.

    ***Once again this is your view but not some others. As Margie has pointed out, if you dissagree with my decisions you should protest to the administrators that is the proper step to take. I am sure that I should not spell out my disgust with your actions here but when you only respond negatively to my PM's I have no other choice. Murph
     
  2. jabezguy

    jabezguy New Member

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    you call yourself a christian he is too.
     
  3. Sularis

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    The part to Shilo may in fact be better as a PM but since he stated I might next support porno publicly I will answer publicly

    Shilo - let see what is sinful watching a movie that uses a representation of witchcraft (not real live witchcraft) as a vehicle to present other laudable attributes - or a porn movie which have very poorly written plots - A "christian" leader rented two and tried to get me watch em - I left in the middle of the first sex scene - What sin does the movie Harry Potter stir you to?

    The truth is you can tell your kids if you have any that witchcraft is wrong and that while the means of which Harry and his friends use are wrong - the fact that they are willing to stand up against evil is good.

    The truth is God can use sinners to speak His Words
    Balaam - the medium Saul consulted - the false prophets that encouraged King Ahab and Jehosphat to go up to war. The demons from the pit in Revelation

    The truth is it didnt make me think witchcraft is okay - Im a people

    The truth is the actor portraying Potter cast not a spell - and that they were all done by adding in didgital effects

    The truth is God did not say "Verily, Verily I say unto you, all things concerning Harry Potter are evil" If He did - I'd really like to see that verse

    The truth is the Narnia Chronicles state that Aslan has another form in the "Real" world - and that could actually lead to the Tash is Aslan or Allah is Jehovah fallacy - which is NOT TRUE

    Porno - stirs me to lust - dont watch it - unless someone else picks out movie and forcibly restrains me. Lust is a sin - the fact that I really doubt the porno industry puts out solely husband and wife having sex with each other as husband and wife on film makes it even more difficult - Although I could ignore the last part if the first part were true. The fact that porno actually entails the sexual act - it entails committing actual real sin. I doubt a single spell was cast and caught on film during the making of Harry Potter
    There's my dealing with you SHilo and now onto Murphy

    Mr. Murphy I in no way said someone who did not take their child to see Harry Potter was an unfit parent, or ignorant -

    I can understand if you dont want your kids to watch it - because you dont have the time or resources to properly explain things - but some people do - and that asking for help doesnt make you less of a Christian or a bad person

    I did state the above that some parents do not wish to invest extra time/resources in seeing a movie, that requires extra time and resources to explain. That's fine - I also stated that perhaps some of those parents could actually consider grouping kids together so that a bunch of parents can be availale to answer and deal with all issues that arise. I in NO WAY STATED You must go see Harry Potter or you fail as a parent. Anyone who reads that in my words can be understood - but is in my opinion far too sensitive

    However in a PM - I stated that any parent who let their child go into witchcraft solely by being exposed to Harry was a poor and unfit parent.

    Much like any parents who ought their children the weapons from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles without any training are poor and unfit.

    If posting a disagreeing opinion is cause for removal of post just because its reckless (which is your opinion)- and I cut and pasted your reason for removal of the post - I could have been PM'd to discuss this - but no I get your post is reckless so Im deleting it. This makes me angry - I responded - If I unfairly lumped you with the pastors, youth leaders, and fellow Christians who left me with permanent scars on my right hand and spat on me- Im sorry but your message of - your message reckless - Im deleting it! is in no way to my mind just.

    You then stated I was attacking youth and parents - because I retyped what I believed was a gentler post in consideration to your initial removal - since I dont have a copy on file - I dont know - I was ONLY aggressive to someone who seemed to be shutting down an discussion, by deleting the opposing view - and that to me is a horrid crime, since in all the studies I lead I am fair and present all viewpoints. Here Im not trying to present oth viewpoints - Im trying to present mine

    You then called my post garbage and told me to get over whatever problem I had.

    Standing ready to condemn
    you claim is an unfair label

    what has Shilo done to me with that porno crack? What have you done to my posts?
    What have you done to the opinion of "Hollywood"?
    What have other people done to Tolkien calling him a pagan and unbeliever in another thread?
    My second PM was far more calm - I even was willing to apologize for my first post - and first PM - the PM being the only thing too agressive - far more then my post was - But I was upset it was removed for what I percieved so shallow a reaon as: it was reckless
     
  4. shilo

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    The fact that Harry Potter and his friends are willing to stand up for evil means absolutly nothing! Harry potter and his Freinds ARE EVIL

    You are justifying SIN. You are justifying what God hates. You are saying It's alright to watch what God hates because after all the witches are doing good. And since they are doing good there's nothing wrong with the movie and it's not evil..

    They are portraying witches..God said witches are EVIL.

    So there are good witches and bad ones?? Good Witchcraft and bad witchcraft??

    witchraft is okay as long as the person using it is doing Good??? The Lord said:

    31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards , to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards , to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

    Not to mention that Witchcraft is the work of the FLESH and NOT the Holy Spirit.

    Besides that the Lord said to "ABSTAIN from all APPERANCE of evil" (1 thes. 5:22)

    You as a christian are wrong for defending Harry Potter..

    I have never watched it nor have i read any of the books. I know what the Bible says about it so I obey the Lord.

    For younger kids who don't know the Bible it leads them to think that witches are good..and it does, as I have had to explain to many children that he is bad and that magic is bad and why..

    Harry potter is glorified as good..he's a wizard real or not..The Lord said that wizards should be killed.

    Leviticus 20:27 A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard , shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them

    "Woe unto them that call evil good (harry potter)and good evil; that put darkness for light.."(Isa 5:20)

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    Porn movies aren't real either they too are acting.

    Harry potter isn't real he's a charactor but the witchcraft is real just as the sex in porn is real.

    you will stand up for Harry Potter and say he's not an evil charactor yet you condem porn. BOTH are works of the Flesh and BOTH are sin.

    The Devil uses the charater of Harry Potter to portray magic,sorcery, and wizards as being good.

    The Lord God said these things were EVIL.. they should in no way be glorified, no matter what the senario is.

    [ November 20, 2002, 03:24 AM: Message edited by: shilo ]
     
  5. InHim2002

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    er?

    the difference between the two is that porn actors are actually really doing what is portrayed on screen - Harry Potter is not actually casting spells is he?
     
  6. shilo

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    No offense but I addressed the sex in the movies as being real. However, the people are still acting out the roles.

    This isnt' the topic of the thread, I was simply trying to make a point.

    The occult is real.

    wheather the Character of Harry Potter portrayed on screen is actually doing magic is of no matter.

    The Bible is specific about witchcraft, sorcery and such things. So WHY would you even consider PLAY ACTING or pretending to do what God says is wrong? Are you supposed to play with sin?

    Do you think God is pleased when he said to not go a whoring after wizards to see people "play acting" as wizards?

    Then on top of it to have people condoning sorcery, witchcraft and such, by paying money to be entertained by what the Lord said was wrong???

    If it's wrong it's wrong..no matter if it's a movie, a book or whatever..glorifying evil is wrong in the eyes of God. And Harry Potter is Glorifying EVIL And Born again saved people have no buisness giving their money in support of such things.

    People can justify it however they want to so they can feel better about disobeying and rebelling against the Word of God.

    It's sad that professing, born again Christians would stick up for and justify hellywood and pay the salary of people who HATE the word of God and the Lord Jesus..such as Rowling, who thinks nothing of the Lord and Savior.

    You really think the Lord God is happy and pleased with such things??
     
  7. shilo

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    This is a question not desiring an answer, the person already has in their heart what they are willing to believe. It shouldn't be diginfied with an answer.

    [ November 20, 2002, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: shilo ]
     
  8. AdoptedDaughter

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    This is a question not desiring an answer, the person already has in their heart what they are willing to believe. It shouldn't be diginfied with an answer.</font>[/QUOTE]You asy taht by paying to see something is supporting those that hate God, correct? That's what you implied...

    So, I'll take what Bro. Adam said and word it differently... We know that ou tax-money goes to pay those who work for the recs and parks department and schools and what not, so, using your argument, we shouldn't pay taxes because we are supporting those that hate God.... Now, I'm sure that you'll disagree, so, please humor me, what's the difference?
     
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    you call yourself a christian your supposed to be a light even to harry potter ,realization, there christians, more than you are, you need to sort out your priorities.
     
  11. jabezguy

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    Take me off this board . if you read c.s lewis you can read harry potter.
     
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