Now I Know Why I Try to Stay Away From this Debate Forum...

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  1. righteousdude2

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    On the "Chosen" topic, "Iconoclast" red-linedme like a teacher correcting a child's term paper! This is why I try to stay out of these ridiculous; no one wins, debates. Each of you who post a strong opinion and refuse to budge, are in a way saying to the other person(s) on this forum that YOU have a direct line to God, and that YOUR understanding (theology) of Scripture is the ONLY right interpretation. :laugh:

    Man....me thinks, that there are going to be a whole lot of folks totally throttled when they finally get to heaven and see how "foolishly" they spent their time while on earth!

    There has to be better ways to spend your time then arguing until you are "blue-in-the-face" that your interpretation is the only correct interpretation of His Word. :tear:

    There cannot be agreement here because the things you speak of upon examination are contrary to grace and man centered

    >Originally Posted by righteousdude2
    .....which team I'd be on, and how popular I was among my peers by how quickly I was picked, as well as how good I was at that particular game and sport in which teams were being chosen for.

    Some may ask, just what does this have to do with anything to do with the question, and I'll say, very little if we believe that Christ came to save any who (1) realize they have sinned,

    Christ came to save sinners....he was not looking around like a child looking for easter eggs....He was not looking for "enlightened sinners" who in and of themselves realize they may have sinned;
    23Now when he was in Jerusalem at the passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.

    24But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

    25And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.


    (2) Realize that Christ died for their sin,

    No such sinners understood the cross in and of themselves.
    (3) Realize that works cannot get you saved or into heaven,

    all natural men are trying to earn heaven by who they are and what they do

    (4) Realize that you need to accept the "gift" of salvation that God has given us

    no where is anyone looking for sinners who accept anything....much less a potential salvation.

    through His only-begotten Son, and "ask him to be our Savior"

    He is the Saviour of all men who believe.....we do not ask Him to be anything...He is the SAVIOUR of all men, especially those who believe.


    and come into our heart and life

    No....believers are given a new heart...He does not come in to our heart, and we do not give him our heart.....what would He want with a wicked sinful heart....

    and live for Him and walk that narrow, rugged, and at times, difficult path to heaven's narrow door.

    If it serves to make the "chosen" crowd happy, then after I chose Him as Savior,


    He chose me, back. AMEN!

    If you can read this, maybe, just maybe, you are making the act of following Jesus a tad bit too difficult to obtain!
    The bible says it is impossible...not difficult....God makes it happen by supernatural activity...new birth.You are speaking of a human act...scripture speaks of God's activity

    I don't believe God meant for it to be so hard to come back to fellowship with Him.

    Since Adams fall there is no-fellowship- to come back to.

    At least, I don't believe coming to Jesus should be like some of denominational, secret formula type thing....<

    I do believe that I know what it means when we read that we are not to:

    Grieve the Holy Spirit(Eph 4:29–32)
    To grieve: ‘to afflict with deep sorrow.’

    Eph 4:29-31 ‘Let no unwholesome word proceed out of your mouth, but only such a word that is good for edification according to the need at the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. (now this is worthy of RED lettering)

    In its context the Holy Spirit can be grieved when we return to those things from which we should have been set free. (legalism, folks, legalism) All of these things such as bitterness, wrath and anger etc., can grieve the Holy Spirit because they deny what has happened to us in being born again.

    Eph 4:32 ‘Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.’ (come on Baptist Board members, this applies to all of us)

    This is how it is meant to work: Remember what God has (past tense) done for you. Taking into account all that has been freely forgiven you by God (no one on this board needs the approval or validation of another or a peer to know they are saved and set free of their sin), how can we not then find forgiveness for others? If we were conscious of our own sin and the awesome grace that has been extended to us, how can we remain bitter and angry with other people? The order under grace is that you have been forgiven, so forgive others(stop this nonsense of "my theology is the ONLY theology). The order under law is forgive others so that you can be forgiven. That’s why I said that it grieves the Holy Spirit when we hold onto bitterness and malice because it is a denial of that which God has already done for us, and the great grace we have already received.

    If you would like to see the complete text of this neat Bible study on grieving and quenching the Holy spirit, please check this out: http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/studies/online/grievingtheholyspirit.htm

    I think it is time to lay down our intellectual weapons and just begin accepting one another for what christ has done in their life, and to cease trying to make others over and into what we think God would want, or, desire them to be.

    No one on this board is qualified to be the "potter", so why not return to sharing the Gospel, and cease trying to make other over into YOUR image!!!


    ***Please note that my use of BOLD print is not an attempt to "yell" at anyone. It is simply my way of emphasizing, or highlighting the words and phrases, I feel pertinent to the post.
     
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  2. matt wade

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    Here we go again. Another post from the Dude after he's gotten his feelings hurt by someone.

    Hey Dude, it's a debate forum. People are going to disagree with others.
     
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    If you can't stand the heat get out of the oven.
     
  4. righteousdude2

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    Feelings Not Hurt...

    ....Just making my opinion known. That is the purpose behind this forum, isn't it??? :wavey:
     
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    This is the "Baptist Theology & Bible Study" debate forum. Not the "Dude's Opinion on Getting His Feelings Hurt Forum".
     
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    Again, You Are Showing Your Non Christ Like Spirit

    Shame, shame, He knows your name...

    I have been praying that you get beyond your sarcastic ways as it's so unbecoming of someone who wants to follow Jesus.

    In no way have I been hurt. For one last time, in case you have difficulty understanding English, this post was my opinion. It was not based on being hurt, but rather on His Word.

    Should you have comments in regard to what I have posted, please speak up. If you intend to be un-Christ like, by attempting to discredit me, and committing character assassination, then maybe you should move on, Matt!
     
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    HEY,RD-
    You came in on a thread dealing with Election, and who God chooses.
    It seems as if you do not share most of what is being written about./
    You expressed your view which I believe is unbiblical and responded to it.
    You spoke against what you said was the chosen crowd???
    There was no anger, or bitterness, at all...so your rant is mis-guided.
    No where did I say I cornered the market on theology......but if you do not mind....respond to what is addressed...instead of making up evil motives.

    I will stick with what I know until scriptural correction or improvement becomes available.....this is a debate forum...maybe you were looking for the coffee shop.

    RD--- Matt Wade is not my biggest supporter as far as I can tell,and yet he and others believe you have mis-read the thread...give it another read... if you want to discuss/ debate...go for it......I do not have the theology you post in here ....so do not be shocked if I answer you back

    shalom shalom...to those chosen In Christ before the world was.
     
  8. righteousdude2

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    I Say Tomatos....

    ....You say tomatoes! Let's leave it at detente!

    BTW - I am so happy that before all time existed, you were chosen. Far be it from me to ruin your eternity!
     
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    Are we not supposed to have firm beliefs? How do we preach and teach if we are not strongly convinced that what we are preaching is right? Do I believe that I hold the "inside corner" to God? No, but I do have beliefs that I have spent a long time studying and praying about and unless convinced by Scripture I will not change them. I am sorry that if offends some that people have strong beliefs but without strong beliefs we cannot preach and minister effectively. Looking at what was posted from I fail to see what was offensive. I see where there was disagreement but nothing harsh or rude. My time on this forum has been interesting. I don't post much but I have still learned from reading all the threads. I have come to question some of what I used to hold to. Some of it I have changed and some of it I have strengthend. Isn't that what a debate forum is for?
     
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    Paul,
    I have no ax to grind. I try and take a consistent biblical stand.I am sorry if you took personal offence to my post. I reacted line by line in opposition to it, because I view it completely different.
    I have noticed you seem to post .....more casually...or try not to zero in on the verses.

    My eternity is anchored by my Great High Priest.....so you or your thoughts are not going to ruin my eternity.
     
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    AD,

    We all grow by the interaction and hearing from others who the Lord has helped. Sometimes because we interact by keyboard so we cannot see each others countenance.I think that might have happened here.
     
  12. matt wade

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    I have spoken up, maybe you weren't listening? :).
     
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    OKAY...I Get Your Point...

    ....So, if you are not trying to attack my character and lifetime achievements: what do you call this?
     
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    This whole Baptist Board idea may not be a good one as it turns out. It is mostly people trying to be right, by making someone else wrong. Standing on your beliefs will be proven when your life is in a crisis, not on a message board. This is not a place for healthy debate, I find "healthy" is rare here. It reminds me of a verse, and I'm sure someone will say "out of context", about arguing about doctrine is not a good thing. Lets all get humble and not make this a place of offense.
     
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    That is Exactly My Point....

    ....There is nothing wrong with sharing your point of view. However, when it comes to insinuating the other person is wrong and "sinning," that they need to "repent," or worse yet, they resort to insults, and defamation of anothers character (even if its not coming right out and saying it - like in hidden innuendos); it is not civil, and certainly not what Christ would have us do.

    I've definitely been guilty of going overboard at times, but when I realize my sin, I apologize to that person publicly, but I never get the satisfaction of others apologizing to me for "going WAY to far" in trying to make their point better than my point. That is not what the Bible teaches, and this board needs to clean up the "bullying" that others call "debating!"
     
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    There are some people who I simply ignore. They can rant and rave and play the fool and I judge them as such . . but to myself.

    As my hero, Mr T, would say: "Pity the fool".
     
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    Paul had some mighty heated debates in his day.

    Peter and John, too.

    At least on this board if one gets too engaged and burned a click of the mouse to exit is good. Just be sure to come back another day (or some days later). :)

    I dare say that at some time or another every person who posts regularly will get their feelings hurt (or as my dad might say, "getting your panties in a wad" he was calling me a girl! - Yuk!!) along the way, and at times may even unknowingly hurt another.

    Sensitivity is difficult in the written expression especially debate which leaves it pretty much sitting on the sideline.

    Perhaps the best rule is not to attack a person. Attack their view, their faulty doctrine, their thinking, but do try to do it with out carving them into pieces.

    Perhaps just a touch to count coup. ;)
     
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    This is certainly true - now if everyone here, including the author of the OP, would apply these words the entire board would be improved. To judge someone as bitter or hateful based on a discussion of issues is not enriching to a debate.

    The key is to attack views and issues, not persons. The problem comes when people take an attack on their views as an attack on their person. They are not the same thing.
     
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    Gotta love it. Now the PMs start telling me how much of a sinner I am. :laugh:
     
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    Dude, come on. This is getting to be embarrassing. Maybe sit the next few plays out.
     
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