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NSA Wiretap Program Must Stop

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Magnetic Poles, Aug 17, 2006.

  1. Baptist in Richmond

    Baptist in Richmond Active Member

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    Well, since you brought it up, please tell us the reason why this has anything to do with this topic. Or are you one of those people who simply do not have the ability to discuss the former President without talking about the impeachment, or Monica? Hey: you brought it up - tell us why....

    Sorry El Guero, I can't help you........

    Regards anyway,
    BiR
     
  2. El_Guero

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    I will accept your apology.

    I cannot accept your apology on behalf of the Americans that have died to give you the freedom to enter into a discussion. That is up to their families. Their blood was shed that you might enjoy the freedom that they gave up.

    Do we need thousands more to shed their blood because you disregard American lives?

    . . . But, now that you brought up Monica . . . I really cannot believe that you would bring up an unattractive woman of little character. . .

    We have to do something. If you knew what was actually happening - the news reporters are afraid (smart - I am not certain of) of reporting.

    Children being probed to look for hidden munitions . . . If you only knew that Richmond is one of the top 20 terrorist targets. And one of the top 5 least defended . . . Remember that in a babies diaper the terrorists can hide enough to ruin your world. And they communicate about it on cell phones, emails, and on web sites every minute of every day.

    If you want more blood shed - then stand up for America! Say that you will show that freedom to die is more important than the freedom to live! Let them blow up Richmond, so that the rest of the American people can live a life of freedom.

    Give us liberty or give us death!

    Put Richmond back on the map as a city that leads patriotic America and patriotic Americans. Even if it is just a big hole in the ground near I-95, let the map show that you lead Richmond back to a place of true prominence in the war against terror.



     
  3. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Actually, cowards as entitled to constitutional protections. It is not illegal to be a coward.
     
  4. El_Guero

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    Preach it brother!

    Now back it up with a quote . . .

    ;) I said Constitution . . . not interpretation. American Citizens are protected by the Constitution . . .

    I think we probably agree that the 2 million Americans that died for our freedom did not discriminate between the cowards and the brave . . . but, the Constitution does not give them special freedom.

     
  5. KenH

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    The federal constitution gives no one special freedom.
     
  6. El_Guero

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    I am glad that 'we are on the same sheet of music', and that is the Constitution of the USA, the home of the brave . . .
     
  7. KenH

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    Glad to see we can agree on this. :)
     
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  8. El_Guero

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    No, we do not agree that the world will end on August 22 . . . and, if you believe it - you need help . . .
     
  9. KenH

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    Sorry, EG, but my posts got crossed up. I have edited my mistake.
     
  10. The Galatian

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    And if Bush had pursued Osama and attacked his facilities as Clinton did, none of us might have had to deal with it.

    If Bush had not shut down the program that was tracking Al Qaeda's financial dealings, perhaps none of us might have had to deal with it.

    If Bush had not intervened to stop surveillance of Saudi nationals that caused the FBI agent in charge to quit in protest, perhaps none of us might have had to deal with it.

    If Bush had even kept terrorism on the list of priorities, perhaps none of us might have had to deal with it.

    But he failed to do these things.

    See above. Clinton kept Osama on the run, ran him out of his base of operations, set up a program to watch where the money was going, and had the FBI tracking suspicious people. Bush killed all of that before 9/11. If he had been as vigorous as Clinton, would that have prevented 9/11?

    We can't say for sure. But it certainly wouldn't have hurt.

    The difference is that Clinton was doing it before 9/11. Bush stopped all that. And the rest is history.
     
  11. El_Guero

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    ? President Clinton admited that his attempts at hitting Osama were not wise - so why would you want the USA to try more of the same?

    We need an end to the terrorism . . . not more political misadventure.
     
  12. El_Guero

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    Galatian

    Both Presidents have stood and said that more needs to be done.

    Thank you for letting us know that President Clinton was successful, in your opinion.

    I will be glad when the get rid of Osama - once and for all.
     
  13. carpro

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    A Clinton apologist is a Clinton apologist is a Clinton apologist.

    No changing them and no getting around it.:smilewinkgrin:

    A Bush hater and a Clinton apologist are, more often than not, one and the same.
     
  14. The Galatian

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    The difference is, Clinton actually did something before we were attacked in America.

    And in the opinion of the FBI agents assigned to track Osama. One quit in protest after the Bush administration backed off on tracking Al Qaeda, and another admitted that he "almost fell off my chair" when he realized that the Bush administration had taken terrorism off the list of administration priorities.

    Me too. Notice though, that Clinton was more effective, and never once felt it necessary to violate the Constitution in doing so.

    Lots of them around, too. Last election, if Clinton had run again, he would have whipped Bush. Even today, Clinton's approval rate is much higher than Bush's. For the obvious reasons.

    Yeah, Americans are real one-way about results. Dubya's finally in a place where Daddy can't bail him out.

    Apparently so. Clinton's approval rating is in the 60 percent range, about the same as the number of Americans who rate Bush as a failure.

    For the obvious reasons. For the guys who really hate Bush, it must feel like Christmas every day.
     
  15. El_Guero

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    You know, the America that I knew and loved is no longer here . . . What happened to truth, honesty, and integrity?

    To be honest, I hurt when our men and women die protecting what the USA has become.

    Evil completed is applauded as good - and attempting to do right is ridiculed as evil.

    It will not be long and this evil country will deserve to be destroyed . . .

     
  16. El_Guero

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    Again, I have seen not a single thread of evidence that President Clinton was effective getting Osama. And the last I saw a photo of NY, NY - Osama was effective at removing the twin towers.

    And as for Constitution, I think you read it entirely different than I do.

    I also think that I respected then President Clinton more than you respect current President Bush - and that is just scary.

    :wavey:

     
  17. fromtheright

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    KenH,

    I agree with you and EG on this.
     
  18. Revmitchell

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    No evidence to support that.
     
  19. JamieinNH

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    No Evidence to say otherwise either... I would think that if he did violate the Constitution, the same people that Impeached him, would have told the public of his mis-deeds...



    Jamie
     
  20. carpro

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    Has Clinton got his license to practice law reinstated?
     
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