NT facts from 40 editions of the KJV

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  1. Logos1560

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    SRB=Oxford KJV edition in 1980's Scofield Reference Bible
    SSB=Oxford KJV edition in 1996 Scofield Study Bible
    Oxford Classic=1998 Oxford Classics Edition of KJV
    NPB=Oxford KJV edition in 2003 New Pilgrim Bible
    CSTE=Cambridge Standard Text Edition of KJV
    DKJB=D. A. Waite's Defined King James Bible which is claimed to the 1769 Cambridge edition unaltered
    ABS=KJV edition printed by American Bible Society
    1782 American=first edition of KJV printed in American in 1782
    rest of KJV editions are identified by place of publication [London, Cambridge, Oxford, Edinburgh] and year of publication

    1769 Oxford edition is put in bold while 1769 Cambridge edition is underlined

    Matthew 1:19
    public [1817, 1824, 2005 Cambridge] {1838 London} (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    publick (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE]

    Matthew 2:1, 5, 22
    Judea (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Judaea (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB]

    Matthew 3:10
    ax (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1810, 1812, 1821, 1828, 1829, 1835, 1838, 1840, 1847, 1850, 1857, 1859, 1865, 1868, 1870, 1876, 1880, 1885 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1833 Cambridge] {1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824, 1838 London} (1782 American)
    axe (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic, NPB Oxford) [1873, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] (1793 Edinburgh) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)

    Matthew 4:1
    Spirit (Oxford Classic, NPB Oxford) [1637, 1817, 1824, 1873, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] {1611, 1838 London} (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    spirit (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1869, 1887 Cambridge] {1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American)

    Matthew 5:47
    do you (1758 Oxford) [1817, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    do ye (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Matthew 7:6
    rent (1758 Oxford) [1873 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    rend (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769, 2005 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Matthew 9:8
    multitudes (1769, 1792, 1795, 1821, 1828, 1829, 1835, 1838, 1840, 1847, 1850, 1857, 1859, 1865, 1869, 1870, 1876, 1880, 1885 Oxford, Oxford Classic, NPB Oxford) [1817, 1824, 1833, 1838, 1844, 1869, 1873, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] {1611 London} (1853, 1894 ABS)
    multitude (1758, 1774, 1777, 1804, 1810, 1812 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1887 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843 ABS)

    Matthew 10:3
    Lebbeus (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1873 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Lebbaeus (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB]

    Matthew 12:1
    an-hungred [1768, 1769 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London}
    an hungered (1762, 1788 Oxford) [1817 Cambridge] {1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh)
    a hungered (1843, 1894 ABS)
    ahungered (1853 ABS)
    a hungred [1873 Cambridge]
    a-hungered [2005 Cambridge]
    an hungred (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE]

    Matthew 12:20
    smoaking (1774, 1777, 1788, 1795 Oxford)
    smoking (SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic)

    Matthew 12:41
    in the judgement {1760, 1763 London}
    in the judgment (1853 ABS)
    in judgement (1769, 1790, 1817, 1824 Cambridge) {1611 London}
    in judgment (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB] (1843, 1894 ABS)

    Matthew 13:27
    housholder (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804, 1810, 1812, 1821, 1828, 1829, 1835, 1838, 1840 Oxford) [1637, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1833, 1837, 1844 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824 London} (1782 American)
    householder (SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1768, 1817, 1824 Cambridge, DKJB] (1793 Edinburgh) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Matthew 13:40
    burnt (1758, 1774 Oxford) [1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    burned (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Matthew 13:46
    he went (1758, 1774 Oxford) [1637, 1817 Cambridge] {1611 London} (1782 American)
    went (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Matthew 14:8
    John the Baptist’s (1853 ABS)
    John Baptist’s (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769 Cambridge]

    Matthew 14:9
    oaths sake (1758, 1762 Oxford) {1711 London}
    oaths’ sake [1873, 2005 Cambridge]
    oath’s sake (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE]

    Matthew 15:32
    unto him (1758, 1762, 1777 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    unto him [1873 Cambridge]
    unto him (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB] (1793 Edinburgh) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)

    Matthew 16:16
    Christ (1758 Oxford) [1637, 1817, 2005 Cambridge] {1611 London} (1782 American)
    the Christ (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB] {1760, 1763 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)

    Matthew 16:22
    LORD (1769 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790 Cambridge]
    Lord (SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Matthew 17:8
    lift (1758, 1774 Oxford) [1637, 1817, 1873 Cambridge] {1611 London} (1782 American)
    lifted (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769, 2005 Cambridge, DKJB] {1760, 1763 London} (1793 Edinburgh)

    Matthew 17:15
    lunatic [1817, 1824, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE] {1838 London} (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    lunatick (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic)

    Matthew 20:30 [see Mark 10:47]
    Son of David (1769, 1777, 1795, 1810, 1812, 1821, 1828, 1829 Oxford, Oxford Classic, NPB Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1817, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1869, 1873, 1887 Cambridge, DKJB] {1824 London} (1853, 1894 ABS)
    son of David (1758, 1774, 1788, 1804, 1835, 1838, 1840, 1847, 1850, 1857, 1859, 1865, 1868, 1870, 1876, 1880, 1885 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1824, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE] {1611, 1760, 1763, 1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1843 ABS)

    Matthew 22:5
    merchandize [1817, 1824 Cambridge] {1611, 1838 London}
    merchandise (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769, 2005 Cambridge]

    Matthew 22:10
    highways [1873 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London}
    high-ways (1758, 1777 Oxford) [1768, 1769 Cambridge] (1782 American)
    high-ways (1774 Oxford)
    highways (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Matthew 23:24
    strain out [1873 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London}
    strain at (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) {1611 London}

    Matthew 24:50
    ware (1758, 1774 Oxford) [1873 Cambridge] {1611, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    aware (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769, 2005 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Matthew 25:20
    besides (1758, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1637, 1762, 1768, 1769, 1817, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American) (1843 ABS)
    beside (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Matthew 26:39
    further (1758, 1762 Oxford, Oxford Classic, SSB Oxford) [1637, 1873 Cambridge, DKJB] {1611, 1711 London} (1782 American) (1853 ABS)
    farther (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, NPB Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1869, 1887, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE] {1760, 1763, 1817, 1824, 1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh)

    Matthew 26:51
    of the high priests (1758, 1762 Oxford) [1637 Cambridge] {1711 London} (1782 American)
    of the high priest (1770 Oxford) [1817, 2005 Cambridge] (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    of the high priest’s (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE]

    Matthew 26:75
    words (1758, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1817, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    word (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Matthew 27:48
    sponge [2005 Cambridge, CSTE] {1838 London} (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    spunge (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1769 Cambridge]

    Matthew 27:57
    Arimathea (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1873 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Arimathaea (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB]
     
  2. Harold Garvey

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    Those some mighty fine discrepencies there huh? Just look at all those doctrines effected.

    I think I'll take all my KJV's and burn them now.
     
  3. Trotter

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    LORD vs Lord is the only thing I see of actual note... other than things being updated/changed. But some come here and tell us the KJV is perfect and complete... but which one?
     
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    These facts could affect the man-made KJV-only theory. KJV-only authors have claimed that all spelling in KJV editions was updated and standaridized by 1769 [not true]. KJV-only authors have claimed that the 1769 Oxford KJV edition was "free from any man-made error" [not true]. KJV-only authors have claimed that we today use the 1769 edition of the KJV. The title page of D. A. Waite's Defined KJB claimed that it has the "Cambridge 1769 Text" "unaltered." The facts show otherwise. Some KJV-only advocates imply that "jot" and "tittle" preservation applies to the KJV.

    These example differences do not include all the actual differences between the 1611 edition of the KJV and the ten or more varying KJV editions in print today. These differences involve differences from the 1700's editions to today's KJV editions.
     
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    Acts 2:7
    Galileans (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Galilaeans (SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]

    Acts 3:7
    ancle (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804, 1810, 1812, 1821, 1828, 1829, 1835, 1840, 1847, 1850, 1857, 1859, 1865, 1868, 1870, 1876, 1880, 1885 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1869, 1887 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824, 1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American)
    ankle (SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1873, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB]

    Acts 7:4
    Chaldeans (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824, 1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Chaldaeans (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]

    Acts 7:28
    killedst (1770, 1777 Oxford) [1762, 1768, 1769 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London}
    didst (1758, 1762 Oxford) [1637, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1711, 1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    diddest (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB] {1611 London}

    Acts 7:35
    hands (1758, 1774 Oxford) [1637, 1817, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    hand (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Acts 7:48
    most high {1611 London}
    Most High (1770, 1777 Oxford) [1817, 1824 Cambridge] {1838 London} (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    most High (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE]

    Acts 8:3
    havoc [2005 Cambridge, CSTE] {1838 London} (1853, 1894 ABS)
    havock (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic)

    Acts 8:40
    Cesarea (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804 Oxford) [1637, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1873 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1817, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1853 ABS)
    Caesarea (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB] {1760 London}

    Acts 10:17
    inquiry [1795, 1817, 1869, 1873, 1887, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE] {1611, 1711, 1838 London} (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    enquiry (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1637 Cambridge]

    Acts 11:12
    the spirit (1769, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1810, 1812, 1821, 1828, 1829, 1835, 1838, 1840, 1847, 1850, 1857, 1859, 1865, 1868, 1870, 1876, 1880, 1885 Oxford) [1769, 1837, 1844, 1869, 1887 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1817, 1838 London} (1782 American)
    the Spirit (1762, 1774, 1788 Oxford, SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic, NPB Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1873, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] {1760, 1763, 1824 London} (1853 ABS)

    Acts 11:28
    the spirit (1758, 1762, 1769, 1774, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1810, 1812, 1821, 1828, 1829, 1835, 1838, 1840, 1847, 1850, 1857, 1859, 1867, 1868, 1870, 1876, 1880, 1885 Oxford) [1637, 1769, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1869, 1887 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763, 1817, 1824, 1838 London} (1782 American)
    the Spirit (SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic, SSB Oxford, NPB Oxford) [1768, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1873, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] (1853 ABS)

    Acts 13:19
    Canaan [2005 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London} (1853 ABS)
    Chanaan (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Acts 14:6 [see Matt. 24:50 or Luke 12:46]
    were aware [2005 Cambridge] {1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1853 ABS)
    were ware (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Acts 15:23
    And wrote (1758, 1774 Oxford) [1637, 1817 Cambridge] {1611 London} (1782 American)
    And they wrote (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769 Cambridge, DKJB] {1760, 1763 London} (1793 Edinburgh)

    Acts 16:35
    sergeants [1637, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1711 London} (1843 ABS)
    serjeants (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB]

    Acts 17:18
    Stoics [1817, 1824, 2005 Cambridge] {1838 London} (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Stoicks (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB]

    Acts 18:5
    pressed in spirit (1758, 1762, 1770, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1637, 1762, 1768, 1769, 1817, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American)
    pressed in the spirit (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB]

    Acts 18:28
    publicly [1824, 2005 Cambridge] {1838 London} (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    publickly (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB]

    Acts 19:19
    Many also of them (1758, 1762, 1770, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1637, 1762, 1768, 1769, 1817, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American) (1843 ABS)
    Many of them also (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]

    Acts 19:39
    inquire [1817, 1869, 1873, 1887, 2005 Cambridge] {1838 London} (1843, 1853 ABS)
    enquire (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844 Cambridge, DKJB] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh)

    Acts 20:1
    uprore {1611, 1760, 1763 London}
    uproar (1758, 1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Acts 20:19
    befel (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1824 Cambridge] {1711, 1760, 1763, 1824 London} (1782 American)
    befell (SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1817 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] {1817 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1843, 1853 ABS)

    Acts 21:25
    from things strangled (1777 Oxford) [1768, 1769 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London}
    from strangled (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Acts 21:28
    farther (1758, 1774 Oxford) [1637 Cambridge] {1611 London}
    further (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769, 2005 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Acts 22:3
    towards (1758, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1817, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    toward (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Acts 22:22
    lift (1758, 1774 Oxford) [1637, 1817, 1873 Cambridge] {1611 London} (1782 American)
    lifted (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1768, 1769, 2005 Cambridge, DKJB] {1760, 1763 London} (1793 Edinburgh)

    Acts 23:30
    Farewel (1758, 1769, 1774, 1795 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1795 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    Farewell (SRB Oxford) [DKJB]


    Acts 24:27
    Felix room (1758 Oxford) [1637 Cambridge] {1611 London} (1782 American)
    Felix’s room (1777 Oxford)
    Felix’ room (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769, 2005 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Acts 25:6
    sitting in (1758, 1762, 1792, 1795, 1804 Oxford) [1637, 1817, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    sitting on (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1768, 1769 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB]

    Acts 25:8
    Cesar (1758, 1762, 1769, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824, 1833, 1837, 1844, 1873 Cambridge] {1611, 1711, 1817, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Caesar (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [CSTE, DKJB] {1760, 1763 London}

    Acts 25:22
    To-morrow (1774, 1804 Oxford) [1769, 1817, 1824 Cambridge] {1760, 1763, 1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1843 ABS)
    Tomorrow [2005 Cambridge]
    To morrow (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Acts 25:23
    were entered [1873 Cambridge]
    was entered (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic)

    Acts 25:26
    especially (1777 Oxford) [1768, 1769 Cambridge]
    specially (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Acts 27:8
    the Fair havens {1611 London}
    the Fair Havens [2005 Cambridge] (1853, 1894 ABS)
    The Fair Havens {1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1843 ABS)
    The fair Havens (1804 Oxford) {1760 London}
    The fair havens (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Acts 27:40
    hoisted (1777 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 2005 Cambridge] {1838 London} (1782 American)
    hoised (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Acts 28:15
    the three Taverns {1611 London}
    the Three taverns (1758, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1795 Oxford) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1790, 1795 Cambridge] {1760, 1763 London}
    The Three Taverns {1838 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1843 ABS)
    the three taverns (1782 American)
    the Three Taverns [1817, 1824, 2005 Cambridge] (1853, 1894 ABS)
    The three taverns (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Acts 28:21
    Judea (1758, 1762, 1769, 1774, 1777, 1795, 1804 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824 Cambridge] {1760, 1763, 1824 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Judaea (SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

     
  6. Forever settled in heaven

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    yeah, why not?

    whatever happened to things that are different are not the same? where's the KJBO double standard--u know, the other standard u use on other Bibles?

    why not list the doctrines that are deleted or added or otherwise changed as u go through the list again--let's just start with five:


    1. __________________
    2. __________________
    3. __________________
    4. __________________
    5. __________________
    do jots n tittles matter in differences between editions/versions?
     
  7. Johnv

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    So, it's okay to make alterations in language of a translation, so long as no doctrines are changed?
     
  8. Baptist4life

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    [off topic]

    BTW, do you really think spelling changes in the KJV are equal to the changes (left out passages, changing of words, different texts, etc.) made in MV's?
     
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  9. Johnv

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    No, they are equal to the changed made in the KJV to translations which preceded it. It's inconsistent to compare translation to translation to determine the solidity of translation. In order to determine solidity, one must compare the translation to its source texts. If one does so, one finds that so-called "MV's" don't "left out passages, changing of words", etc. It's an easily dispelled myth. Yet, it's common to find KJVOists claim that if a passage in a translation other than the KJV differs from the KJV, then the KJV passage must be adhered to, since they consider the KJV superior. Now, in regards to the OP, it begs the question, if the KJV is to be considered superior to all other translations, which edition is superior to which?
     
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    A KJV-only web site and some KJV-only advocates have claimed that such minor changes as updating spelling or putting "to day" [two words] as one word "today" makes certain present KJV editions into "counterfeits." Are you claiming that KJV-only web site bashes or maligns the KJV? Are you opposed to providing the facts that show that such minor variations are found in the line of KJV editions that lead up to today's KJV editions?

    Where do the facts of this thread imply that the minor variations in KJV editions are equal to changes made in completely different translations? On the other hand, if you want to make a valid comparison, the KJV does make the same type changes in the pre-1611 English Bibles (Tyndale's to Bishops') of which it was a revision. The KJV added whole verses not made in some of the pre-1611 English Bibles and left out verses found in two of the pre-1611 English Bibles. The KJV added phrases or clauses not found in some of the pre-1611 English Bibles and omitted phrases or clauses found in some of the pre-1611 English Bibles.
     
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    examples from the book of Hebrews

    Hebrews 6:1
    towards (1758, 1774, 1777 Oxford) [1637, 1762, 1768, 1769, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1611, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    toward (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [DKJB]

    Hebrews 8:3 [compare to Heb. 3:3 where man is in italics]
    this man [1873 Cambridge]
    this man (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic, NPB Oxford) [1769 Cambridge]

    Hebrews 9:17
    whilst (1758, 1762, 1770, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1795, 1804 Oxford) [1762, 1768, 1769, 1873, 2005 Cambridge] {1711, 1760, 1763 London} (1782 American)
    while (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]

    Hebrews 9:20
    injoined (1769, 1792, 1795, 1798, 1804, 1810, 1812, 1821, 1828, 1829, 1838, 1840 Oxford) [1817, 1824 Cambridge]
    enjoined (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [1637, 1768, 1769, 1817, 1873, 2005 Cambridge, CSTE, DKJB] {1611, 1824 London} (1853 ABS)

    Hebrews 9:21
    sprinkled likewith (1770 Oxford)
    sprinkled likewise (1758, 1762, 1769, 1774, 1777, 1788, 1792, 1795, 1804 Oxford) [1768, 1769, 1790, 1795, 1817, 1824 Cambridge] {1711, 1760, 1763, 1817 London} (1793 Edinburgh) (1782 American) (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    sprinkled (SRB Oxford, SSB Oxford, Oxford Classic) [DKJB]

    Hebrews 10:23
    hope [1873 Cambridge]
    faith (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford, Oxford Classic) {1611 London}

    Hebrews 11:11 [see also Romans 9:9]
    Sarah (1758 Oxford) [CSTE] (1843, 1853, 1894 ABS)
    Sara (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Hebrews 11:32
    Gideon [2005 Cambridge] {1611 London} (1853, 1894 ABS)
    Gedeon (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]

    Hebrews 11:32
    Jephthah [2005 Cambridge] {1611 London} (1853, 1894 ABS)
    Jephthae (1769 Oxford, SRB Oxford) [1769 Cambridge, DKJB]
     
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    What exactly is the point of this thread? What is it we are to learn?
     
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    The OP author is denoting differences between KJV versions.
    [off topic]
     
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    More than one thing can be learned from this thread. The thread was intended to provide accurate information about KJV editions.

    From this information, it can be learned that today's KJV is not every word the same as the 1769 Oxford edition as some have claimed. It can be learned that the 1769 Oxford KJV edition was not free from all man-made error as a KJV-only author claimed. It can be learned that there are a number of variations even in today's KJV editions. It can be learned that there are inconsistencies in spelling and in use of italics in many KJV editions. A number of KJV editions seem to have been based on just one earlier edition without any collation or comparison of several editions. Some KJV editions had corrected or made some of those inconsistencies in spelling consistent many years ago but most KJV editions did not notice them or follow them. It can be learned that Waite's Defined KJB does not have the text of the "1769 Cambridge" unaltered as its title page claimed. It can be learned that some of today's KJV editions cannot validly be claimed to be "counterfeit" as one KJV-only web site claims when those same updated spellings or same variations were found in KJV editions that were in the line of editions leading up to the edition they accept.

    Are you suggesting that you cannot learn anything from facts or from accurate information?
     
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    [off topic]

    C'mon Harold: is every jot and tittle important or not? Neither of those words are in the original!
     
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    The topic here is differences in the KJV versions/editions/printing

    If you want to discuss word translation choices in the KJV and other translations feel free to do so in threads on that topic.
     
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    Is any one here making that kind of claim?
     
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    The 1762 and 1769 editions of the 1611 are the only ones I know anyone holds to with maybe 5 differences between the two. [off topic]
     
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    [off topic]You've already voiced your opinion that revisioning of a version is permissible. [off topic]
     
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    Have you ever examined and compared the 1762 Cambridge edition of the KJV and the 1769 Oxford edition of the KJV? More than 5 differences between those two editions are indicated in the examples already given in this thread and in the thread with the Old Testament variations. There would be over 100 differences between the 1762 Cambridge edition and the 1769 Oxford edition. Here are a few samples from the book of Genesis.

    Gen. 10:16
    Emorite [1762 Cambridge]
    Amorite (1769 Oxford)

    Gen. 15:13
    their's [1762 Cambridge]
    theirs (1769 Oxford)

    Gen. 15:18
    In that [1762 Cambridge]
    In the (1769 Oxford)

    Gen. 19:12
    son-in-law [1762 Cambridge]
    son in law (1769 Oxford)

    Gen. 21:26
    to-day [1762 Cambridge]
    to day (1769 Oxford)

    Gen. 22:4
    lift [1762 Cambridge]
    lifted (1769 Oxford)

    Gen. 25:18
    towards [1762 Cambridge]
    toward (1769 Oxford)

    Gen. 26:1
    besides [1762 Cambridge]
    beside (1769 Oxford)

    Gen. 26:20
    our's [1762 Cambridge]
    ours (1769 Oxford)

    Gen. 37:28
    lift [1762 Cambridge]
    lifted (1769 Oxford)

    Gen. 39:18
    lift [1762 Cambridge]
    lifted (1762 Oxford)
     

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