Obama appeals for tolerance on 9/11

Hmm, I notice you could not answer my question - that is, after all, the topic of this thread, is it not?

 

The Founders Constitution - Roger Williams, The Bloody Tenent, Of Persecution for Cause of Conscience

I wonder how Roger Williams would respond to Baptists in the United States making a thread like this.

 

Excellent find. I had a vague memory of it but could not put it together.

Then again, not every Baptist holds to our traditional heritage.

 

Nope, you just didn't understand the answer which was totally predictable.

 

This Roger Williams quote is not only a pivotal part of baptist heritage but also American heritage because of its place in helping to establish the 1st amendment.

 

"First they came for the Muslims...."

 

Of course, that is my point. Religious freedom, which has been integral for Americans and Baptists for hundreds of years now seems to have been thrown out the window in the current State of Fear.

 

Benjamin Franklin said it very well .................

 

Yes, I just wanted to explicitly state what you implied.

I agree with your observation. The very human emotional responses of fear and self-preservation allow people to turn against their most prized spiritual, ideological and nationalistic principles. It is an unfortunate reality of human nature made very evident in this thread.

Christ however, suggests alternatives which we don't seem to have a lot of faith in.

 

Who is coming for the Muslims?

What "intolerance" other than the idiotic actions of a few are we talking about here?

I can find you isolated examples of the same sort of intolerance against any group that you would care to identify.

I think that the "intolerance" card will soon be replacing the "racist" card.

 

Matt, where do you stand on polygamy as practiced by Muslims in your country?

Are you ok with it?

Or should it be illegal for Muslims as it is for the rest of the population in the UK?

 

That's the point isn't it. Nobody is coming for the Muslims, and people (mostly living overseas, or in the White House) cant tell the difference between citizens expressing strong opinion and threats. It's not happening.

 

Are you saying it is ok for Americans to express strong opinion that opposes the 1st amendment and Baptists to express strong opinions that opposes a core baptist distinctive because people are too chicken to actually carry through on their strong opinion with action?

Why is ok for Americans and Baptists to express these opinions that oppose the U.S. constitution and baptist distinctives?

 

What opinions are those exactly?

Are you expressing an opinion against freedom of speech?

You seem to opposing the U.S. Constitution yourself.

 

A relevant and important question for the president concerning tolerance on the part of all Americans (and also the question "should moslems be allowed to worship their deity in America?") is "to what extent Mr. president?"

Sharia Law?
To what extent should we tolerate the imposition of Sharia law where the Constitution is either silent or actually supports it per "freedom of religion" so-called?

Obviously polygamy is against the law in America,
Obviously the death penalty for Adultery and other forms of carnality are against the law in America.
Obviously the total prohibition of the sale of pork products is against the law in America.

but here is an example of "how far?".

How tolerant should we be concerning for instance the "call to prayer" (Azan) which is a very important part of muslim worship?

Should muslims be free to have the Azan chanted out over a loud speaker five times a day whenever and wherever they wish in America?

After all Christians chime out church bells.

So be tolerant!

Christian merchants are free to have Christmas Carols sending out the message of the Christ Child over loud speakers at Christmas time.

Be tolerant!

How about - be honest!

How about it everyone for freedom of worship? Is it really that simple?
Do you really want the Azan chanted out 5 times a day in your neigborhood?

Twice in the prayer is a statement that there is no deity but theirs and there is no prophet but theirs.

Ok you can ignore it because it's in arabic.

But do you really want to be tolerant enough to allow it in your neighborhood?

How about in the neighborhood of the White House?

HankD

 

Some of the posters here seem to be advocating that; I'd be happy to be disabused of that.

 

No, it's against the law of the land and Muslims are bound by that law as much as everyone else. Same with forced marriages.

 

Can you point to any post in particular?

Or any poster in particular?

I really don't recall seeing anyone advocating rounding up the Muslims.

 

“Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security”

So anyone who is not in favor of removing ALL metal detectors and other security devices at airports is absolutely undeserving of liberty?

 

"They" didn't do too good a job; there's a billion of them.