Obama Blasts Pending Arizona Immigration Law

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  1. Dragoon68

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    Bureaucrats are predictable! When they don't do their job and others have to step up to the plate to do it then they get mad at them for doing it. They get worried that someone might be usurping their power.

    Obama Blasts Pending Arizona Immigration Law



    I'm happy to see that Arizona has the courage and determination to do something about the problem in their back yard. The federal government should cooperate with them on it since they haven't done an effective job of handling the problem.

    Obama, of course, has his eye on the potential voting power of all those illegal immigrants. That's a temptation he can't overcome.
     
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    Are people so blind that they don't see the civil liberties issues here?
     
  3. Benjamin

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    This is big!

    If this law passes and I believe it will by the Governor allowing it to go by without signing it, then it takes 90 days to go into effect. I’m sure during that time there will be a lot of scrabbling and maneuvering before it is actually enacted. But, if it goes into effect you can be pretty assured our sheriff Joe Arpaio will have the tents going up and the buses running. I expect if all this comes to pass the focus will bring Sheriff Joe into the central arena spotlight and my bet is that Obama will be personally ducking to avoid the damage this man will do to him politically if he were to try to engage him for “enforcing the law”.

    All said and done this Arizona immigration law going through could very well be the beginning of sweeping changes in how immigration is dealt with.

    I have mixed feelings about it because on one hand we are certainly overrun with illegal aliens, many of which I am personally aware that they openly hold no loyalty whatsoever to our nation and while taking from our resources act as if they have the right and have an attitude amounting to spitting on our nation. On the other hand, the harshness of breaking up families and shipping out illegals who were brought here as young children and know no other life is a problem for me.

    I would hope for/be in favor for a few amnesty programs opportunities for them such as for voluntarily going into the military to defend our country, which would show some loyalty, or some other types of programs which would gives those who wish to be a loyal and productive part of our society a chance to prove it and stay.
     
  4. Dragoon68

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    Are people so blind that they don't see the threat illegal immigration is to our nation?
     
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    There are going to be a lot of people winning lawsuits if this law if followed through as written and the taxpayers will be forking over the money for the settlements.
     
  6. Dragoon68

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    All that has to happen to remedy any of the concerns about the law is for the federal government to do its job of keeping illegal immigrants out of the country. Have they been doing it? Does the administration want to do it? No! Therefore, Arizona wants to do what it can to protect its citizens. I hope they're successful!
     
  7. Magnetic Poles

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    It is becoming like the Third Reich..."Vere are your papers?"
     
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    Not even close to the same thing. Another failed comparison.
     
  9. Magnetic Poles

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    So explain. What is the difference in a Jew in Berlin in 1942 being asked to show their papers and a Latino in Arizona in 2010 being asked to provide the same thing?
     
  10. Dragoon68

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    No it's not!

    The requirement to provide identification of one's self has been around a long long time and, if law enforcement is permitted to use good judgment, no one will be asked for it unless there's reason to suspect they don't have it. The problem is, in this politically correct world, we're rapidly eliminating the ability of people, including law enforcement officers, to make judgments. Instead of calling it "good judgments" - a positive description of the conduct - we call it "profiling" - a negative description. Instead of applying the restraints to those we suspect we try to apply it to everyone which leads to no one!
     
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    >The requirement to provide identification of one's self has been around a long long time

    Not in the US except where there is probable cause.
     
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    Hopefully, the U.S. Supreme Court will get involved and strike down this law, as they should!
     
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    I'm Sure They Will.....

    .... strike it down. But, that is the disgusting thing with what is going on in America right now.

    Out here in the land of "fruits-and-flakes", the California Supreme Court has stepped in, and struck down numerous bills legislated by the public, and for the public. They've even out the death-penalty on indefinite hold. When the court sentences a murderer to death, you can hear all of California LOL. There is a death penalty... just no one with the guts to enforce it, because the court says the murderer may suffer while being executed.

    The most recent bill, that they attempted to strike down was the homosexual right to marry. Thank God it has finally upheld our latest attempt to protect the sanctity of marriage.

    Maybe there is a place for the Supreme Court to intervene, but, I'm not so sure it is in the case of enforcing our laws on immigration.

    Either the POTUS and congress need to re-write the current laws, or, they need to put-up, and, shut-up! And, that is MHO!!!!

    Pastor Paul :type:
     
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    Well, our Governor, Janice Brewer, whom I thought would just passively let the immigration law go into effect, came out of her shell and showed up with some fortitude. Standing tall and firm, she announced what she was going to do and why, went directly over to sign the bill and then took questions from the press. Concerning our dilemmas and the refusal of the federal government to take action, she quoted:

    Obedience of the law is demanded; not asked as a favor. ~ Theodore Roosevelt

    I think anyone who thinks that they are going to interfere with this state to uphold the law by filing frivolous lawsuits or trying to pull federal rank is in for a big fight.
     
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    Obama's just scared if he goes to Arizona, he will have to show his birth certificate!.. LOL
     
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    No, we don't have a requirement for a national identification card which, in my opinion, would be another huge waste of tax payer money. However, if you are detained for any reason - jay walking, hanging around a railroad yard, taking pictures of buildings, etc. - and if you want to board and airplane, enter many buildings, going to the doctor, opening a bank account, etc. - you'd better be prepared to identify yourself. If you cannot you're likely to be detained or denied entry at best. Whether we like it or not - and I don't like it - we long ago got to the point that having identification is as good as if it were a national law requirement. A person who is suspected, by probable cause, of not being a legal resident ought to be required to provide evidence that they are. Just like I have to prove who I am to my bank - even though they know me well - because of federal law then it seems reasonable that someone who doesn't seem to be here legally needs to provide some evidence that they are. Yes, it does mean some innocent people are going to be mistaken as being here illegally and will have to clear it up. But, then again, I have to show who I am all the time and, frankly, I don't think it's anyone's business but my own where I travel, where I put my money, what doctor I visit, etc. but because people misuse these things I have to put up with a bit of inconvenience now and then.
     
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    The question that should be asked is Should we be looking for people who are here illegally?

    Equally should we look for speeders, robbers, and child molesters? Illegals are no different.
     
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    Let me see if i got this right!!!


    If you cross the north korean border illegally you get 12 years hard labor.


    If you cross the iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely.

    If you cross the afghan border illegally, you get shot.

    If you cross the saudi arabian border illegally you will be jailed.

    If you cross the chinese border illegally you may never be heard from again.

    If you cross the venezuelan border illegally you will be branded a spy and your fate will be sealed.

    If you cross the cuban border illegally you will be thrown into political prison to rot.

    If you cross the u.s. Border illegally you get

    1 - a job,
    2 - a drivers license,
    3 - social security card,
    4 - welfare,
    5 - food stamps,
    6 - credit cards,
    7 - subsidized rent or a loan to buy a house,
    8 - free education,
    9 - free health care,
    10 - a lobbyist in washington
    11 - billions of dollars worth of public documents printed in your language
    12 - and the right to carry your country's flag while you protest that you don't get enough respect


    I just wanted to make sure i had a firm grasp on the situation.
     
  19. Alcott

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    About 2 dozen yards mowed and hedges trimmed for 10 months in a year?
     
  20. Magnetic Poles

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    While you were making a good point, you blew your credibility with #11. It points out the racism at the heart of your protest. Illegal aliens don't have to speak a different language. I assume you only hate Mexicans. If a Canadian crosses illegally and speaks English, I guess that is fine. BTW, when New Mexico became a state, most of its citizens spoke only Spanish. Many still do. And the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is majority Spanish speaking, but they are Americans. Spanish has a good claim on being one of "our" languages. Since it is the primary language of many of our citizens, I have no problem with public documents being translated.
     

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