Obama Breaks Treaty With Mexico

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  1. LadyEagle

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    Finally!!! Something good from Congress & Obama

    Shutting down the Mexican big rigs on our highways! Yippee!!


    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91385
     
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    Hard to believe there was a little, tiny, tiny piece of meat in the midst of all that fat...
     
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    This is about the first good news I've heard.

    Quite a few trucking companies hire Mexican or Spanish speaking drivers: I don't mind it much as long as they are here legally and run legal and understand English enough to read road and construction directions and communicate or understand warnings of danger, and are held to the same standards for safety pre-tripping their trucks each day like other drivers.

    But Mexican trucks are another story. Use to pick up loads in Loredo and saw a lot of trucks which crossed the borders to drop loaded trailers. Hardly ever saw a dropped trailer that didn't require some work on it..... particularly tire changes due to tread wear low air and frequently brake adjustment, and lamps out. Oh yes...... the air hoses were almost always missing their rubber boot or bushing .....or whatever its called. Got stuck once with a trailer missing its registration and inspection permit. It was the one thing which no emphasis was made during training so I'd just taken it for granted that the box which held the paperwork was properly filled..... a POE (port of entry...or weight station) caught me and it.... had to wait for the company to fax an update from their records on file. Taught me a lesson.

    I really doubt that Mexican trucks will not be running the HWYs in the near future. The plans are already on the books to build the super highways which will connect Mexico to Canada through the heartland of the United States..... with other super highways to follow. These will be big..... some as wide across as 6 football fields, with limited access and the plans are to move the Ports of Entry and Customs from the border towns to points inside the US along the corridor, where loads will be swapped for internal delivery or export.

    In fact, I've wondered if some of these hugh amounts of money, like in the bailout, wasn't a means of siphoning off revenues for funding without disclosing it to the American people. The plans are that the US will finance the building of the super highway...... but it will then be leased to a private and foreign entity (I think Spain has bid on it) which will run it as a toll road. Small communities will be divided or destroyed, school districts and routes will have to be redrawn, and some of the most valuable farm acerage will be absorbed in the building of this system. Those on the east and west coast are not immune to the gigantic plans which include in the long term vision....plans for the I-10, I-95 and some of the other major traveling routes running east and west or north and south, with spurs to major population centers and areas of industry. I believe both Canadian and Mexican trucks will then be allowed, at least on these corridors, and enforcement may be more relaxed. I see no problem with Canadian trucks or drivers....... besides being a little 'crazy' (tongue in cheek, lol). Everyone I met up north seemed to know their stuff and were professional in their work. I can say the same for most Mexican drivers which I met.... but those were working in the states and had there US CDL.
     
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    Personally, I consider "the Omnibus Spending Bill" to be a typo. This should really be titled as The OMINOUS Spending Bill!

    Might I note that one can already enter the US, via truck, at 4 points from Mexico (San Diego, Nogales, El Paso, and Laredo), immediately get on an Interstate route 'that traverses the heartland of the US,' and theoretically never leave Interstate Highways, until crossing into Canada, in at least 10 different locations.

    Feel free to be UNhappy with NAFTA, GATT, etc.. Even debate the need (or lack of the same) for the extended I-69 if you choose. (FTR, the I-69 extension is already legislated by Congress, and will eventually happen, unless Congress reverses itself, and repeals that legislation.)

    Just please do not spout off someone's 'agenda,' as supposed facts about Interstate highways.

    Just for information, I'm certain I can already show you a minimum of 5 (and likely several more) locations, just in my own state of KY, where Interstate Highways already cover a path far wider than the 300 Yds. of three football fields (not even counting the extended ROW widths, or interchanges) from shoulder to shoulder, and these have been extant for up to 40 years, or even longer, in some instances. (This usually happens because of the topography.) BTW, even a six-lane in each direction Interstate, complete with a "Jersey Barrier" divider, should not require more than ~70 Yds shoulder to shoulder, at any location, except for interchanges.

    Road fan, Ed
     
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    Being that drug cartels are shipping their stuff in through Mexico now, I think they should stop all vehicles from coming into the country, unless they are U.S. citizens. Even at that, I would also dare say that anyone entering the U.S. should be subject having their vehicle searched for drugs. Even though, I don't like the idea of searching each & every vehicle, during a time like this it just has to be done. I would also have to question anyone driving into Mexico & ask them what are they palnning to do there (even though they are leaving the U.S.). With all of the drug wars going on, I can't imagine anyone vacationing in the border towns. I would have to question anyone's intentions that are driving through the border.
     
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    http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45280

    The result will be fewer exports of the products listed. Great move in a struggling economy.

    And Obama has sent the message to the entire world that the US cannot be trusted to keep it's word under his leadership.
     
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    Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? This was bad policy to begin with. Why should we let Mexican truckers on our highways when we have our own truckers?

    I don't care who got rid of this policy...I'm just glad it's gone.
     
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    I am as well. Regardless of what ever motives Odrama may have it was the right thing to do.
     
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    So both of you approve of the US breaking treaties?

    What if we break the NAFTA Treaty with Canada?

    Would that be different in some way?

    What if others break treaties with us? Would you say "good!" as well? I mean, after all, if signed treaties mean nothing to us, why should they mean anything to other nations?

    Does this also mean you are in favor of damaging the economy by breaking our word? Is that OK with you?

    Have you really thought your reaction through? I share some of your disgust with portions of NAFTA, but this is the wrong way to correct it.

    Obama has damaged the reputation of the US and you approve. I must say I'm surprised.

    When the U.S acts dishonorably with it's treaty partners, we should expect no less in return.
     
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    Why should we hold to policies that are damaging to our country? It's time this country stopped worrying about it's reputation and worried about fixing things. This was something that needed fixing. I don't care if it mad Mexico upset. If they don't like it, they can stuff it.

    If another country breaks a treaty with us, that's their right. Why should any sovereign nation be beholden to any other?
     
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    The NAFTA and GATT treadies was the worst piece if legislation that we could have ever passed. The industries in the US has moved to foreign soil and has done much damage to our aAmerican workers.
    There is a lot of fixin to be done for our economy here.
     
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    Ever heard of honor?

    Doesn't sound like it.
     
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    While I care not for this admin I do not need this event to demonize him. While I will not wait for many of these moments to occur I will be glad to agree with him when I actually do.

    As far as our reputation in the world this is the first concern for this I can remember coming from you in the three years I have been on this board. Maybe you are sincere but at this point it is hard to tell.

    Signing a treaty that allows trucks to roll through this country with different standards is unwise and needs to be corrected.

    I do not know Odrama's motives but I will be glad to agree with his actions.
     
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    That's right...turn it into a personal attack on me. That helps things.

    The point is that this policy should never have been put in place to begin with. It's bad for our country. Conservatives were up in arms about this policy when it was introduced. We should now be rejoicing that it has been repealed.

    (and here's were I would put in a personal jab at you to say that it doesn't sound like you have heard of conservatism)
     
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    I do.

    Union appeasement.

    Good time to make this move and damage the economy further, isn't it?

    But that's what we expect form the zero, huh?
     
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    I apologize for the comment. The question stands as a good reason to "honor" a treaty...keep our word...that sort of thing.
     
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    [withdrawn]
     
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    I am not going to disagree with his action just because I disagree with his motive. And I will wait and see how this effects our economy. I am not sure it is all that significant.
     
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    I'm a Texan and a truck driver.

    If anyone has good reason to keep unsafe trucks off the highways, it is me.

    However this is the wrong time to provoke protectionist policies by Mexico and it's just flat dishonorable the way it's being done.

    Changes in treaties with our friends, neighbors , and trading parties are things to be negotiated by diplomats, not dictated by unions.
     

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