Obama claims to have decended .....

I believe Senator Obama when he says he's a Christian.

He goes to church regularly.
He endeavors to obey the ten commandments.
He does good to his fellow men.
He doesn't use swear words.
He is well liked by people.

He is a Christian.


Well, according to the world's view of a Christian, that is.

 

More evidence he is not a Christian.

 

Can we say that he is not a Bible beleiver? And if he is not a Bible beleiver then he is not a Christian?

 

Nah, you can be a Christian and ignore most scripture, cuz it was written like, a long time ago. Only a hatemonger would try to apply the whole bible to their spiritual life.

 

I hope this is an attempt at sarcasm.

 

Yup.

:laugh:

The really sad thing is, in a few hours, when the liberals start waking up, they'll come here and tell us Obama is right, we were once apes. Along with denying that God will supply our every need, they will now tell us we cannot trust his creation account. And don't even mention the flood, or Jonah, or the account of the fourth man in the fire.

And if you really want them mad, just tell them the bible is correct about homosexuality.

 

Cant wait for KenH's explanation.:laugh: I am sure Obama was "taken out of context." But I wouldnt be surprised if all three candidates are evolutionists.

 

Good, I was about to "Hulk out" on you.:laugh:

 

Do I remember a comment by some woman that has been viciously condemned, that seemed to say this same thing?????

Something about little monkeys in a tree???

H-M-M-M-M-M!!!!

Surely we aren't going to give Obama pass on something a peon(?) said that is in essence the same thing --- are we?????

 

I just don't get that guy. It's as if he is here just to cause confusion. His opposition to the war aside look at what is given up. More funding for abortion, embryonic research, a cabinet post for poverty, gay marriages and etc.

 

As usual the right-wingers are out in force!

I know that I believe in evolution, as does any sane person.

I believe in micro-evolution, but I don't believe in macro-evolution. There is a big difference.

 

The theory of evolution has never claimed that we are apes. It simply describes a process of gradual alterations in the biology of various species such that some variants change, eventually, into new species. There are philosophical issues to be dealt with, to be sure, but the hard science of adaptation and alteration is rather obvious.

There is a conflict between faith and evolutionary theory only if you see faith as dependence on a set of ideas rather than on a relationship with God. Yes, my relationship with God is formed and guided by the Scriptures; but I need not force the beautiful poetry of Genesis into the rationalistic mindset of a modern logician.

 

Yea, hath God said ?

Oh yeah, and...

Physician, heal thyself.

 

So, you do not believe God created all that is in 6 days and then rested His creative work on the seventh day? To say that evolution is an ongoing process is to say that God lied. He did not rest and He did not create in the 6 day account of Genesis. :tonofbricks:

 

So can I take this to mean that you don't believe in evolutionary change within a species?

 

I believe in adaptation. Like the housecat & the Siberian tiger have a common ancestor, my bet it was a cat, based on the repeated phrase in the creation account...

"after his kind".

That tells me species reproduce inside their own species. Cats do not become dogs, butterflies do not become birds.

God did not create a being he hoped one day would become human. He created man.

 

Why would anyone want to believe in a god that lies? Who would want a relationship with that? We don't have a relationship with God.... until we have his words. Abraham, listened, and believed who he heard...when God spoke.... so did Moses. But before I could know God...some one had to tell me about him or I had to read and trust his Word.

Many have criticized the history of the Bible. For every archeological proof that's been found...another jumped up for the skeptics to point to as the exception which proved the question.... and each critic has proven a liar and God is true.

The Bible supports science although it is not written to be a scientific book: We feel the liberty to eat anything we wish... that's not poison... but the best nutrition and chemistry within the body supports the superiority and simplicity of the food laws given the people of the Book. In the NT, before blood typing was known.... and crossed every racial line, the Bible declared God made man of one blood. The Bible told the world the earth was round...... Columbus believed it, even when the clergy of the church did not understand.

Darwin was not a scientist. His theory of evolution spun off many other theories of beginnings... which excluded the Bible context. For a period of time, the influence of the elite scientific organizations of England and Europe, accepted his theory and so succeeded in a rush to prove 'evidence' most of which has been proven false.... but so caught the Church off guard, as few had questioned the account given in Scripture.

However, as the church, by popular persuasion, began accepting that 'perhaps' there might be some truth to evolution, not having any defense.....especially when it was common among some clergy to explain the difficult parts of the Bible as 'allegory', rather than recognize the truth is there....it a matter of our not having come to the times where the truth is revealed and understood in our experience:

Fortunately, a body of scientist who had confidence in the Bible rose and challenged the evolutionary, Big Bang, and carbon dating theories among others.
One by one, as the evoluntionist developed new theories, the 'science' on which one 'proof' depended was debunked by the science which proved another evolution position, or the supports were proved to be 'circular'...what was held as an axiom in one direction became the product of the axiom in the reverse direction....thereby proving nothing... and the fraudelent 'proof' using fossils and skeletal pieces..... and the 'standards' of measuring time being contradicted within nature... and without explanation.... The evolutionist do not address the many problems with their theory which the creationist have uncovered. They ignore it... or group together in opposition and try to ignore. And when they cant ignore the creationist's challenges... they disparage the whole group of creationist as being extreme, ignorant, fundamental. Actually what many evolutionist think is 'evoluntion' in the adaptive process of organism such as bacteria in resisting an antibiotic..... are not dissimilar of the healing God designed into the living forms he made of animals, and plants, and human. Only God could take nothing and speak his thoughts into existance and reality, of mass and energy, of time and eternity.

JMS, if you don't believe the Bible is true, then you have no basis for your belief in God, a relationship with him, or a foundation stronger than that 'you said it' when you tell others what God is like in your relationship to him. Should I take your word? The word of a stranger? Or should I believe the Word, which God wrote with love, through the pens of many men, most who never knew each other, and each book reflective of their own style and personality.... yet in agreement throughout in meaning? I'd rather believe a book which has proven trustworthy over a period since its beginning about 4 thousand years ago, than someone so young and immature and limited in vision and more to my equal.

 

I agree completely! :jesus: