Obama Gets His Clock Cleaned at Saddleback

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  1. carpro

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    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28120

    Saddleback Forum: Republican spirits were boosted over the weekend by McCain's excellent performance at the quasi-debate hosted by evangelical super-pastor Rick Warren.
    McCain, by any honest measure, thoroughly outperformed Obama. One factor was the venue: a forum held by an evangelical pastor, with a focus on the social issues Obama has steadfastly avoided (and derided as divisive).

    Most surprisingly, McCain came across as smoother and more likable than did Obama. McCain was a story-teller while Obama was a nervous salesman.

    Unsurprisingly, McCain seemed more frank and more direct, while Obama was more obtuse and meandering. Obama supporters in the media defend his performance as "nuanced," but in this case, "nuanced" means "muddled and evasive." Liberals can make self-serving-and at times fair-defenses that their candidate is more "nuanced," but Obama is probably astute enough to see where John Kerry's, Al Gore's, and Bob Dole's "nuance" landed them.

    Most importantly, McCain showed himself comfortable with the entire range of issues, while Obama had to deal with issues he clearly would rather not talk about. On abortion and taxes, for example, Obama gave wandering, stammering responses while McCain was very direct and very conservative. Saturday night showed why Obama has tried since June to rule certain issues out-of-bounds, which is worrisome for the debates. If Obama can't convince the debate hosts to stick to Iraq, the economy, and President Bush, he may be in trouble.
     
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    Didn't see the debate - but are we surprised that Human Events gave the edge to McCain?
     
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    The muted response of the corrupt old media gives the same message.

    If Obama had trounced McCain, or even just held his own, the media noise would be deafening.

    Instead, almost dead silence.

    Maybe this will help you, Roger, since the COM steadfastly refuse to evaluate their performances:

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTBjN2RkY2Y3ODZhYmRmYTZjYTI1NTQ4ZGNkM2Y2YmU=

    How McCain Won Saddleback
    In an unusual setting, his experience overwhelmed Obama.

    By Byron York

    Lake Forest, Calif. — It’s fair to say that in the hours before John McCain appeared with Barack Obama at the “Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency,” here at Pastor Rick Warren’s famed southern California mega-church, there were at least a few McCain insiders who were a bit nervous about their candidate’s prospects. Obama can be remarkably polished in this sort of situation. Unlike other Democrats, he’s not afraid to hang out with evangelicals. McCain, on the other hand, can at times be cranky and take pleasure in irritating his base. Could he come out ahead in this one?

    Team McCain needn’t have worried.
     
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    Looks like you didn't even need to use a biased source. I just googled news for "Saddleback debate" and it looks like all the sources across the board, even mainstream and liberal ones, agreed that the debate left Obama with a lot of work to do.
     
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    Considering that Senator McCain was in an environment dominated by the base of his party it is not surprising that he was more comfortable in it than Senator Obama was.

    Senator Obama is going to have be much tougher in the debates in September and October and go on the attack against Senator McCain as Senator McCain has gone on the attack against him. Otherwise, Senator Obama runs the risk of being the 2008 version of Adlai Stevenson in 1952 and 1956.
     
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    I'm thinking '72 McGovern.
     
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    Were you suprised to see the Enquirer's Edwards stories proven correct ? You were pretty quick to write that one off.........
     
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    OKay Curtis I was wrong, I apologise, I made a mistake, I was too quick to judge.

    Now can we leave it?
     
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    Consider it left. :wavey:
     
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    The truth is where you find it , Roger.
     
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    I wouldn't have believed it a month ago, but you just may be right.

    The more that is found out about Obama's past and the radical politics he has practiced, the more his stock will go down.

    He and his associates are desperately tying to cover his tracks. That alone, indicates a real problem.
     
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    RE: 72 McGovern

    I am with Carpro and Curtis here. A month ago I would have thought this statement ludicrous, but he is beginning to look like a real loser.
     
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    You are in luck! Just go to: www.youtube.com and in their search engine type in Warren, Obama, McCain and it will bring up the videos form the interview Rick Warren had with Obama and McCain. They are listed in order 1 through 17.
     
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    Not long ago Senator McCain looked like a real loser. We all know that a mere week can be an eternity in politics and there are almost 11 weeks left in this election. Let's see where the polls are on September 15 after the VP picks and all of the post-convention bounces have settled down and see where the candidates stand.
     
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    Mccain is still a loser in many ways, but he's looking more like an election winner all the time.

    America loses either way, just less so with McCain.

    Obama is not just a loser, he's dangerous for the safety and welfare of our country.
     
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    He hasn't lost yet. Indeed, your guy may end up being the loser.
     
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    I think McCain did something many American's been wanting to see a politician do for a long time. He gave focused, short, precise, confident responses most of the time. Obama tried to work in his stump speeches but I really think average Joe is tired of the smoke and mirrors and want to see you shoot it strait at him.

    I think the answer to any yes or no question should begin with yes or no. Answer the question then if you want to qualify your position then feel free to elaborate. But answer the question first. McCain did that well...
     
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    :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
     
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    If anyone is dangerous to the safety and welfare of the United States its Senator John Sidney McCain III, his neo-con buddies, and their disastrous foreign policy ideas.
     

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