Obama mocks Joe the Plumber

And since the Dem's don't have 60 in the Senate they still need Republican support to pass legislation. That is the significant of the 60 the Dem's hope they get this election, it will take away the Repub's ability to filibuster.

 

Majority gives you control of debate and committee appointments - it is vital.

If you go to the 60 count, then there have been very few times in history that any party has had 'control.'

That would even more disprove LE's contention. If the Dems did not have 60 votes this mess certainly can't be their fault.

 

That is certainly one view and I respect your right to it. But from where I sit, this crises is just reaching Wall Street. You can see the empty ruins of the steel mills and the large number of unemployed on main street has been with us for a while. I stand by my view that lack of jobs is causing the problems on both streets. If we can get people working they will pay their mortgages and other debt's.

 

You dont get it. Bush is not running. Stay on task. Obama is gong to increase this unconstitutional practice in a much greater way beyond dangerous levels. He is a marxist and unqulafied to be President because of this.

 

I have to admit, you have a new scare tactic but none the less ineffective. The only new program he is suggesting is health care and that's in response to the a national crises. People need health care and need it now.

Bush' conservative ideology IS running in this election which is what is referred to as the last 8 years. McCain will continue that ideology and has said he will cut corporate taxes in an attempt to create new jobs. We've been doing that for the last 8 years and just lost another 160K jobs last month alone. Perhaps cutting corporate taxes is not that good an idea?

 

Which word? He changes proposals and directions with every rally. Whatever became of those 6 points he exclaimed the day after the crises was announced? Whatever happened to their program of change? What ever happened to being a reformer that would "shake" Washington up? Haven't heard those in a long while. If he would stick to one set of proposals perhaps people would know what word we hope he sticks to.

Obama has said he will raise the top 5% taxes when he entered the primaries and is singing that same song at rallies today. The only thing I've seen McCain stick to is Ayres and ACORN.

 

Conservative ideology gives tax breaks to corporations who send American jobs overseas and say it's good for our economy. :BangHead:

McCain went wrong when he said he will give the corporations more tax cuts as a way to stimulate the economy. That is something the struggling people on main street didn't want to hear. They've seen these tax cuts and their jobs move off their street for too long.

 

That was NAFTA.

 

We have seen how they deal with a Republican shill that McCain's campaign was using to further their candidate's chances. They don't care about this guy. They're using him despicably.

 

Class warfare? That's a ridiculous overstatement. They're talking about tax policy. You know that the extreme difference in wealth between the haves and the have-nots was one of the distinguishing characteristics in the 1920's right before the '29 crash and the Great Depression. Now we're seeing it again as a result of the disastrous Bush administration. The middle class is vanishing. Pretty soon we'll have just the poor and the rich. You know, as in

Buddy can you spare me a dime?

 

To which Bro. Curtis replied:

To which I reply: "Yep!"

http://www.nolanchart.com/article368.html

 

As Rev would say, now these are good campaign talking points...

Now, show me one company that has cut or added a job exclusively from a tax increase/decrease? That is the biggest. oldest scare tactic in the books. Any company that has to fire employee's because of a 3% tax hike wasn't stable and was going to loose employee's either way.

 

Huh?? Joe isn't in business. He is an employee that is no where close to buying his company.

 

The Clinton's have admitted this was a mistake and said they would do it different if they had the chance. I agree, NAFTA was a liberal black eye for the country.

 

Meanwhile, lowly Joe the Plumber has brought more focus to these terrible socialistic plans of Obama than a thousand newspapers could have done IF they had been impartial. Joe the Plumber represents the average working American.

For those of you on here belly aching about how bad the economy is under GW Bush, I would like to remind you that you aren't living under a bridge and you obviously still can afford Internet service and probably cable or satellite TV and electricity. I also doubt if any of you have missed too many meals during the past 8 years, so things haven't been as bad and aren't as bad as you pretend it is, so let's get real and cut the hyperbole. It's really getting deep. Maybe we need to call Joe the Plumber, lol.

 

Correction, we live on top the bridge, waiting for a spot under the bridge to open up. I free load internet from Starbucks, electricity from the sun and put aluminum foil on the wife and kid for satellite TV.

On a serious note, about 30% of the Church is under or unemployed in the last few years. The off shoring of jobs hit this area hard since we had a lot of call center/help desk type positions. They also closed two Military post in the area and we seem to be a hot spot for illegal immigrants. I took a voluntary cut in pay to keep the Church a float.