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Obama MOCKS the Bible and Jesus....

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by righteousdude2, Oct 31, 2009.

  1. Revmitchell

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    that's right........
     
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    Mocking the Lord is mocking the Lord, whether you print it in a sentence form or the whole article. Context is not applicable in this situation.
     
  3. Johnv

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    Except that it's not mocking the Lord. Obama was referencing scripture, and how it can be misapplied. It's a huge step to go from addressing how scripture can be misapplied by a politician, to mocking the Lord.
     
  4. Revmitchell

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    Regardless Obama is clearly mocking scripture and taking it out of context to fit is presupposition and well as completely misinterpreting scripture. The lost cannot help but do otherwise.
     
  5. Johnv

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    The only reason Revmitchell is taking the "mocking" position is because Revmitchell doesn't like Obama. He doesn't beleive it's necessary to read or watch the whole speech to make an informed or objective opinion.
     
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    How do you know RevMitchell's heart?

    I agree with him that President Obama has mocked the Word of God. I also don't like President Obama. I guess that's why I can see clearly what he said.
     
  7. Johnv

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    I don't claim to know his heart, but I knwo his positions based on his posting history. He's got a long history on this board of posting stuff that's only anti-Obama (when Obams is the topic), and, at times when he's shown to be wrong, he refuses to acknowlege his error. If anyone disagrees with him, he calls them liberals, referrs to such people as lost, and a whole list of namecalling. The man is rude, frankly.
    The difference between you and Revmitchell is you respect other people when you disagree with them. Look I don't like Obama either. But I listened to the speech as a whole, and while I didn't like a lot of what he said, what he said wasn't mocking scripture, and it certainly wasn't mocking Jesus.
     
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    Obama was both mocking the Bible and showing an exceptional arrogance in his ignorance of the Bible.
    The Bible DOES support slavery........as a temporary condition of endentionture to another for repayment of a debt or the economy of employment and providing for those without property or sufficiently skilled to be self sufficient. The Bible does recognize a very serious relationship of love, lawful authority and judgment between God and his human sons and daughters and its respective mirroring in the set up of Family and the headship of parents and dealing with the possibility of the willful unruliness or deliberate rebellion of children. The Bible does set forth a strict guideline of food law to his called apart ones in the OT. The Sermon on the Mount was delivered to real people and sets forth an excellent example or model by which we would do well to follow.......... but it was given to an audience but its work is not an area of law or chains of force but is, instead, a model of spiritual and social discipline which involves the free choice of individuals.

    What makes all of this so apparent that Obama was mocking the Bible and all others who have contrasted the scriptures against him or his or other government policies is apparent in the false context in which he presents it. He would have us to believe that people who read or quote the Bible against government policy are miss applying scripture. The system which included slavery and parental discipline and judgment...... to include capital punishment..... are never presented in the Bible as functions of government policy or societies' law...... but of the law of God in the absence of government to establish standards and boundaries by which people could live with the knowledge of justice and sin. The Sermon on the Mount wasn't delivered to the military nor to a bureaucratic department of defense. It was delivered to a people who's nation was somewhat ruled and protected in a shaky alliance with pagan and exploitive outsiders who exercised the law and their authority in an arbitrary way. The Sermon on the Mount nor the Beatitudes were not presented for the defense of a nation, but for the glorification of God through a people who will follow; their individual choices of dependence upon him to provide that wisdom and control those behaviors brings sanity between the spiritual desire for righteousness and justice when conflicted or contrasted with the experiences of life and the intellectual logic as we desire to live a happy life, close to God, and peaceably with others.

    OBAMA WAS MOCKING ALL BIBLE BELIEVERS AS WELL AS THE BIBLE AND GOD!

    Furthermore, HE IS INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST: While he acts as though the Bible teaches slavery or that parents can execute their children or that the defense department be run according to the Sermon on the Mount (or implies that this is what Bible readers policies disputes are about), he doesn't honestly acknowledge that slavery hasn't been an issue in our country for over 100 years, but it was this very century that the federal government chose to make slaves of all of us, taxing our income, tax our purchases and tax our ownership to keep possession ........ and prevents many skilled and knowledgable people from freely employing their skills before liscensure or permit.

    Obama uses the canned socialist auguement which exaggerates abuses in the home and bases this concern is backed by Biblical reasoning, then excuses government for its intrusion into what would be the privacy and sanctity of the home. S@xual abuse can and does occur in some homes..... it is appalling and it will always be under reported. But the same government that uses this dispicable behavior or allegations of physical or mental abuse as an excuse to intrude into the homes, covers up abuse in foster homes, abuse in the class room where a child is berated by his teachers for his beliefs taught in his family, or is taught about s@xual practices in school before his physical, social and emotional maturity has caught up to master his curiosity and impressionability. It is not that parents have too much authority in the home but that the government can so easily intrude into the home and divide it, probe into the private discussions and authority of the home through unannounced surveys, questions and interviews of childre without the parents awareness that information regarding politics, religious beliefs, discipline practices, or the presence of weapons etc. may be being gathered. And, while the very government who taught her in school the theory of evolution as a fact and that we all descended from animals---apes (sort of a 'lowering down' of the value of human life and a denial of God), the government will leave no stone unturned to prosecute, without mercy, a troubled minor teen who panicks and destroys her baby after giving birth,...... yet that same government neither objects to the termination of a preganancy but also permits the late term killing of a baby..... before or after birth, accompaniened by a qualified abortionist, and is adding this to the services delivered without regard to the representation or objections of tax payers. This same government who mocks the Christian acceptance of the Beatitudes and points out our real or presumed failings at every moral or social failure which we may present, holds itself to no patience or sparring of our own grievances, or just criticisms and withholds no means to redicule, marginalize, silence, or in other wise control or make an example of any who might create a successful dissent.

    Obama ignores the context of all scripture which he references has to do with our relationship to God and the authority under the governance and judgement of God as opposed to the corrupt and failable and ambitious rule of failable men. Futhermore, he omits the council God gave Samuel when the Israelites sought for a king like the other nations have and were told of the ambition, control and theift which would take place when government transitioned from the appointment of God to the appointment (and substitution) of man for his rule.

    Remarkably, this Muslim-'christian' in the WH, who holds the muslim call to prayer as the sweetest sound he's ever heard, praises islam; abuses Christian and/or Jewish writings for his own gain; does nothing to address the Muslim practices and traditions which support a husband striking his wife or killing her or his children 'for cause' which have nothing to do with defence of his own life; has religoous based observances of food and drink restrictions; has the largest existance of practicing slavery in the world today; has separate standards in practices for taxation, usery, and protection of law for the non-muslim in difference to the muslim; and uses and practices deceipt when contracting verbal or written with the non-muslim if it serves the advancement of either himself, the muslim community, or his religion.

    Obama............................a great deceiver.



    TRUTH is not HATE escept to those who HATE the TRUTH.
     
  9. Johnv

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    No where does he say people who read or quote the bible are against government policy or misapplying scripture. His point was actually that we should be protected misapplying scripture by attempting to codify it. Obama's delivery aside, most of us would agree that codifying scripture for the purpsoe of codifying scripture is a bad idea, and actually harms religious liberty.
     
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