Obama: Open Door for Prosecution of Bush Officials

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  1. LadyEagle

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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fir...tion-officials-cleared-interrogation-tactics/

    Another version (biased, IMO, because of the word "gruesome" which I bolded) report from AP:

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jdxvkOhzjNneMr_LS4qY2ZUrtH-wD97MVV6G3

    Since when does a sitting administration begin allowing/endorsing prosecution of former administration officials when he disagrees with their policy?

    How far back shall we go? Shall we presecute Clinton for his failed policy in Somalia? Or for bombing the aspirin factory?

    How about WW2 and prosecuting anyone involved with dropping the atomic bomb? Of course, they are all probably dead by now, but we can smear them and give them the tag of war criminal on their tombstones and we continue to re-write and re-vise history as liberals continue to do.

    This is just another example of the Obama Tyranny and how he says one thing one day (no prosecution) and flip flops, changes his story (lies) the next. When will people wake up?

    And can we all notice how he said these things in front of muslims (representative of Arab League)?

    What a slap in the face to our intelligence community and our military and to US---We, the people, who were attacked by fiends on 09/11 and those who have served us in the worst attack on our own soil in history. He disgusts me yet again.
     
  2. LadyEagle

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    This is a diversion tactic, too - the press will be focused on Senate hearings, etc. over this issue as Obama and his czars continue to take our freedoms away while the press and public attention is diverted. :BangHead:
     
  3. monk

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    Yes - These crimes should have been investigated during the last administration but no one there batted an eye at the claims of abuse so nothing happened.
     
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    Well, that is a false statement. Prosecutions took place surrounding Abu Gharaib, for one.
     
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    obama left it open for these same techniques to be used again, not totally banning them, so makes mewonder if they are used while he is president will him or anyone in his administration be prosecuted.
     
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    New Yourk Times, 22 April 2009

    http://www.nytimes.com/?emc=na

    // Top U.S. officials involved in the adoption of brutal interrogation methods did not investigate the origins of the techniques they approved with little debate. /

    Those who fail to understand History are damned repeat it.

    I support Obama's 'no torture by Americans' stance. I hope he adopts a policy that Americans who have committed torture be made non-Americans.

    Torture & humiliation are in-humane
    Torture & humiliation are un-Christian
    (Torture & humiliation are against what Mohhamud said, but his example says it is ok)
    Torture & humiliation are un-American

    If both side practice torture & humiliation -- then neither side is worth defending :(
     
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    One inherent weakness in your argument: Who gets to decide what constitutes "torture?" That must be the first step. Otherwise, you might end up outlawing intelligence gathering.
     
  8. Revmitchell

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    No one in the US has engaged in "brutal" interrogation techniques.
     
  9. OldRegular

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    What crimes are you talking about?
     
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    ED Ed

    Have you ever served in the military?
    Do you know anyone who has served in the military?
    Do you know anyone who has experienced combat?
    Do you know anyone who was a prisoner of war?
    Do you know anyone who has been wounded in combat?
    Do you know anyone who was killed in combat?
    Have you ever been in a Muslim country?
    Are you an authority on what the Koran teaches?
    Have you ever tortured anyone?
    Do you know what constitutes torture?
    Have you ever humiliated or shamed anyone?
     
  11. LadyEagle

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    I changed my screen name to Lady Eagle because Ed was offended by my old one.
     
  12. OldRegular

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    Since the electorate were seduced by, shall I say an angel of light [2 Corinthians 11:14], and elected Czar obama as president.

    How about perjury or sexual child abuse?

    The leftists/Marxist/Fascists/democrats have already tried to defame President Truman for dropping the A-bomb on Japan.

    This is one more indication of Czar obama’s goal to tear this country apart.

    When it is too late to jump out of the pot.

    Is this an indication of where Czar obama’s loyalty lies?

    Lady Eagle
    You have been very insightful and correct in your analysis if Czar obama but I am afraid none of us has any concept of what awaits this country.
     
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    Legal opinions are not prosecutable.
     
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    Well, you supported impeachment of President Clinton for cheating on his wife, right?

    Torture of wartime captives is simply not the American way. The New York Times commented on this today.

    In Adopting Harsh Tactics No Look at Past Use
    By SCOTT SHANE and MARK MAZZETTI
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us/politics/22detain.html?th&emc=th

    WASHINGTON — The program began with Central Intelligence Agency leaders in the grip of an alluring idea: They could get tough in terrorist interrogations without risking legal trouble by adopting a set of methods used on Americans during military training. How could that be torture?

    In a series of high-level meetings in 2002, without a single dissent from cabinet members or lawmakers, the United States for the first time officially embraced the brutal methods of interrogation it had always condemned.

    This extraordinary consensus was possible, an examination by The New York Times shows, largely because no one involved — not the top two C.I.A. officials who were pushing the program, not the senior aides to President George W. Bush, not the leaders of the Senate and House Intelligence Committees — investigated the gruesome origins of the techniques they were approving with little debate.

    According to several former top officials involved in the discussions seven years ago, they did not know that the military training program, called SERE, for Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape, had been created decades earlier to give American pilots and soldiers a sample of the torture methods used by Communists in the Korean War, methods that had wrung false confessions from Americans.

    Even George J. Tenet, the C.I.A. director who insisted that the agency had thoroughly researched its proposal and pressed it on other officials, did not examine the history of the most shocking method, the near-drowning technique known as waterboarding.

    The top officials he briefed did not learn that waterboarding had been prosecuted by the United States in war-crimes trials after World War II and was a well-documented favorite of despotic governments since the Spanish Inquisition; one waterboard used under Pol Pot was even on display at the genocide museum in Cambodia.

    They did not know that some veteran trainers from the SERE program itself had warned in internal memorandums that, morality aside, the methods were ineffective. Nor were most of the officials aware that the former military psychologist who played a central role in persuading C.I.A. officials to use the harsh methods had never conducted a real interrogation, or that the Justice Department lawyer most responsible for declaring the methods legal had idiosyncratic ideas that even the Bush Justice Department would later renounce.
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    Yes, we prosecuted other countries for using the same torture techniques Bush advocated in Iraq.
     
  15. OldRegular

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    You are mistaken as usual. The terrorists were not tortured and were not covered by the Geneva Conventions.
     
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    What I'm saying is we used the same torture tactics we condemned when they were used by communist countries. I guess you don't care that we have sunk to that leval.
     
  17. just-want-peace

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    Congratualations JC, you got half this quote correct - that's a .500 batting average. Much better than your usual!! :thumbs:

    Keep up the progress & you just might be worth listening to after a couple more years! :D
     
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    It seems you do not know your history very well. Clinton was impeached and disbarred because he lied in a federal investigation. But I am sure you would like to sweep that under the rug.
     
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    As born again Christians we all know that Jesus taught that we shouldn't subject others to inhuman treatment. We get around that of course by claiming the people we abuse are inhuman or we just say..."torture?" That wasn't torture it was uh, keeping us safe from inhumans.

    Tad bit on the Hitlerian side imho, but hey if that's what helps you sleep sound at night who am I to judge?

    I can't recall any scripture that teaches us to let criminals get away with commiting crimes either but it could just be I missed that lesson in Sunday school. I suppose there could be biblical instructions somewhere that tells us that as long as the offender is "one of us" and he/she claims they did it for our security it's all good. Come to think of it "they" who claimed "we do not torture" made alot of other claims that turned out not to be true. But it's all good.
     
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    Source please? To quote JC.

    What I care about most is that we have a rabid abortionist as president, one who seems to make it his goal to destroy this country just as he destroys the lives of the unborn.

    From your posts it appears that all you care about is Czar obama!
     

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