Obama Rhetoric vs Health Care Reality

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Campaigning for his health care plan yesterday, President Barack Obama told a Green Bay, Wisconsin audience: “Right now a number of my Republican friends have said, ‘We can’t support anything with a public option.’ It’s not clear that it’s based on any evidence as much as it is their thinking, their fear, that somehow once you have a public plan that government will take over the entire health care system.” In fact, the opposite is true. It is President Obama who is operating on rhetoric without any evidence to back up his claims. Consider the following four themes crucial to Obama’s argument:


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    If "bo" gets his socialistic health plan through we will see rationing of care for the elderly and eventually euthanasia. If he doesn't care about the unborn he certainly doesn't care about old people.

    Furthermore, there will likely be a value added tax on top of the cap and trade tax to support all his Marxist endeavors. People should recall that in Marxism as practiced the proletariat become serfs and the elitist and bureaucrats run the country just like Russia and China.
     
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    You don't really believe that OR??? That is fear mongering. God didn't give us the spirit of fear.

    The seniors will still be on Medicaid/Medicare...
     
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    It’s easy to throw out a number like 119 million and then say “could”. That number is more unsupported than anything the WH has put out. I don’t know who else but a blogger could get away with that. I agree that it has to depend on what the public plan offers. I am sure it won’t be as good as what you get through your job.

    The part most people are missing is the government will be subsidizing the cost for low income people. This is the premiums and co-pays. Most people working a job that provides health care would have to pay fill boat if they went to the government plan. That is the predictions. I don’t think it will be as tempting to most working folks with insurance unless they have someone with a preexisting condition.

    Best practices is a database the doctor can use to determine a course of care. There is nothing so far that says you have to go that route. The final decision is between you and your doc. This guy makes it sounds like your claims must jive with the database and that simply isn't true. This is also common with most current plans, your insurance will only pay for certain procedures according to their chart of how to cure your ailment. So there is really no change to current plans even if it was. which is isn't.

    Common sense will show you how preventive care will save over emergency care. Blood pressure pills will save over caring for a stroke victim. It doesn’t take an accountant to see most of the savings are obvious.

    However, all the 10 year numbers you ever see are just predictions. This includes the CBO. None of them can actually be proven and none of them ever come true. No one predicted this depression 10 years ago. Next year we’ll have new 10 year numbers and no one will even remember these. I don’t see the issue…
     
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    It's simple. Revmitchell and his sidekick OR have found yet something else with which to criticize President Obama.
     
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    Part of the plan to pay for it is to decrease spending on Medicaid/Medicare.

    God doesn't give us a spirit of ignorance either. You really need to try to be informed on these issues if you are going to push "the one's" agenda.
     
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    I agree, God doesn't want us to be ignorant. That is why I encourage you guys to move beyond the GOP talking points.

    The part of the programs they will reduce is the non-seniors who use those programs because they have no other form of health care. The Seniors are safe, it is the non-seniors who will switch to other plans so the money currently spent on them can be switched also.

    Now that wasn't too tough to understand, now was it?
     
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    Sure I believe it. A number of doctors have expressed concern that his use of a health data base will be used for just that; denial of health care to certain critically ill people. Then there are his plans to cut Medicare/Medicaid funds by $600 billion. More and more doctors are limiting the number of Medicare patients they will see.

    Have you seen the text of his bill. As far as I know no one has. He is wanting his health care reform bill passed just like the stimulus bill which no one read.

    I believe that "bo" is the epitome of evil whose intent is to convert this country into a third rate socialist state. Vengeance Le Buick, that is what it is all about.
     
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    My problem with the plan proposed by the President is that is leaves too much private insurance in place; thus leaving the guys who run the current system in charge. I would rather see one plan, backed by the government, and universal coverage as an American birthright.
     
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    There is certainly no scarcity of bad policy for any patriot to accuse this Marxist.

    Actually Revmitchell is my sidekick!:thumbs:
     
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    There was a time when unborn children were safe LeBuick, but :sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep: on!
     
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    So if no one read the bill OR, how do you know it will do all these things like take away health care for our seniors? GOP speculation?

    As I stated, Medicaid/Medicare pays for all the uninsured who visit the emergency rooms. It only makes sense we can reduce those programs if we give them insurance. Not sure why that is so hard to comprehend.
     
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    There was??? You thinking Roe v Wade was the start of abortions? What about all the ones that took place in back alleys with guys with coat hangers etc... I understand your reasoning but that is a ridiculous statement in the current conversation.

    Where I agree we haven't done anything to save the unborn we HAVE done a great deal to save the life of the mother. You are pro-life correct? Not just anti-abortion since your biblical basis is murder which means pro-life and not just anti abortion.
     
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    What a Marxist crock!
     
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    This is a baseless argument. If abortion is illegal then do not risk your life by having an abortion. When you do you then place your life at risk and slaughter the child in the process. The first person to be for the life of the Mother needs to be the Mother.
     
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    That is STUPID nonsense. The woman had the choice of whether to murder her baby or not. The baby had no choice!

    So do you have numbers to show that the lives of mothers are being saved by slaughtering their unborn children. If you do present them.
     
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    So, instead...we will have the people who gave us FEMA, Congress, the IRS, your local DMV, and Walter Reed Army Medical Hospital...in charge of healthcare?

    No thanks...I'd take the "current guys" any day.

    A basic flaw in government healthcare...providing excellence is not a concern. There is no competition, thus there is no incentive to do a job well. Furthermore, since it is quite difficult to lose one's job as a government employee (especially with regards to substandard customer service)...not to mention all of the "protected class" issues endemic to government employment nowadays...I fear that many who would run our healthcare system would not try very hard to do a good job.

    (Caveat: I am thankful for those civil servants...many of them believers...with strong work ethics and a desire to serve and excel. Where would we be without them?)
     
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    Note....I did not say RUN BY the government. I said BACKED BY the government. Big Difference.
     
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    Thus saith "The Sidekick"! OR, is the humidity getting to you?
     
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    Again, you are being anti abortion and not pro-life if having a choice makes a difference to you.

    I said women are saved by having the procedure performed by a licensed doctor in a sterile facility. Again, to appreciate this you would have to be pro-life and not just anti abortion.

    I don't know where in the Bible you read we should only protect the unborn but if you're okay with that then so be it. I just think you should call it what it is, you are not pro-life you are anti-abortion.

    Me, I not only care about both lives but I am also concerned about what makes a mother feel this is her only or even a viable option. I strongly believe we can stop/reduce abortions if we can deal with the thinking that makes it seem the best solution. IOW, if we can take away the customers we can put the clinics out of business.
     

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