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Obama Skips Church

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Don, Nov 23, 2008.

  1. Marcia

    Marcia Active Member

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    No, several churches in DC want Obama to attend their church. It's not that much of a bother - presidents have been attending churches here for a long time. Security is worked out by the White House. People realize that one cannot completely guard the president from every little possible threat - it is very unAmerican to have a president guarded away from the people. It looks too much like countries with kings or dictators to put up a wall between the president and the people.

    I read an article in the Wash Post on this and one of the churches wanting Obama is Foundry Methodist where the Clintons went. This church has been going away from orthodox beliefs for a long time.
     
  2. donnA

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    What I was saying not that churches didn't want him, but that it is a problem, for reasons already listed in this thread. I wouldn't wnat my privacy violated by being ivestigated, even without my knowledge, just so someone woulc attend my church, or the ministries of my church to suffer because this person wants to attend(also already mentioned in this thread). Of course some churches don't care, they just want a man to come to their church, he's more imprtant then those they minister too, and they don't mind having to stand to reverence him in church.
     
  3. Marcia

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    I don't think they investigate the people attending. They just check out the site and have security in place. It would be impossible to check all those people out.
     
  4. mcdirector

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    OK, beside the point I'm sure, but my biggest concern would be that Mr. Obama's children be in church during these years of their lives.
     
  5. Alcott

    Alcott Well-Known Member
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    Yeah. If he was wondering around lost, looking for the nearest church, I would gladly direct him so he could skip to it.
     
  6. saturneptune

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    Obama skipping church. All of you who claim that you have the Divine insight to judge a human soul, what difference does it make to you, and why would you bother to post in this thread?

    Why don't you say "Evidence suggests Obama is not a Christian" instead of claiming to know his eternal destiny with 100% certainty. For those of you who say this that their occupation is the ministry, well, all I can say is that if I fixed machinery in the same manner that you exhibit an understanding of Scripture, I would be fired within a week.

    Speaking of skipping church, what percent of your local church has been skipping church for years? Why are they still on the rolls? Is your ability to exercise church discipline and leadership out of control?
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  7. Crabtownboy

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    Well you realize Satrun that there are some who post here who are so sure they are right that they will try to argue with God and set Him straight when they get to heaven. Looking back over my life and remembering things about God that I knew for sure when I was young ... that now I realize were not exactly right ... I now realize that there is more to know than I realize.

    I climb a mountain to find the truth to a question and what do I find at the top, more mountains to climb ahead.

    We humans tend to hate ambiguity, whereas we should learn to love it and open ourselves up to allowing God to teach us deeper truths. If we take the attitude that I am RIGHT and become adamant and hardened in our stance, then God can teach us nothing new.

    To simply write off Obama as some do is arrogance of the first order ... and we know what Jesus thought of arrogant, self-righteous pharasees.
     
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  8. Joseph M. Smith

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    According to a local story, it is true that several churches have sent in invitations to the Obama family, among them at least two Baptist churches, First Baptist Church of the City of Washington (the one Truman and Carter attended) and Calvary Baptist Church (the one Harding attended). If they wish to stay in the UCC, there is a congregation within walking distance of the White House (though I suppose they would not actually walk!). The United Church at 20th and G Sts is a blended United Methodist/UCC congregation, with a separate German worship service and housing as a tenant an emergent Baptist congregation. Plenty of choices in one building! But it likely would present security problems.

    The experience of First Baptist Church in the Carter days was that services drew lots of guests, gawkers really. I do not think having the president did very much, if anything, for actually drawing new people who became authentic members. But the church really did provide spiritual support and a sense of home for the Carter family, who would even, on occasion, attend the Wed night family dinner.
     
  9. Don

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    Dude, have you read Obama's statements on his beliefs?

    If you believe that there is only one way to salvation, that the road is narrow -- and you had bumped that against what Obama himself has said about his beliefs on the subject -- well, take a look and let us know after that.
     
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    Don Well-Known Member
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    Don't know about you, but I've actually read the interviews with President-elect Obama, and based my decision about questioning his salvation on those pieces of information.

    If that qualifies as "simply writing him off," well, so be it.

    BTW: At some point, you've determined that you're right about something, about some topic. This judgmental, superior attitude of yours about those of us who have made a decision about someone else based on the information available, for example.
     
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    First of all, I am not a dude, second, you are neither God, nor have the mind of God.
     
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    I don't care if you did the blue tango dance with him, you do not know 100% for sure if he is saved or not.
     
  13. Tom Butler

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    Re: President Reagan and church:

    [http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/6/afa/92004a.asp

    In this article on the AFA website, Franklin Graham says:
    I read somewhere that President Reagan participated in private services at the White House with his family and WH staff who had to work on Sunday.
     
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    Do these churches do that for everybody they discover will be moving to their area, or do they want the attention and cameras turned on them (according to this local story)?
     
  15. mcdirector

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    Well, that's an interesting thought that Alcott raises - because surely those that serve in the government (especially our elected officials) might have a needs that a church might be uniquely qualified to meet through some kind of training program they've developed perhaps??? That would be a much nicer thought than they were publicity seeking . . .
     
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    Okay, everyone can boo and hiss at me, but I believe there is a mosque nearby. Then I can say I told ya'll so....:tear: I still believe what I believe and hope I'm wrong.
     
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    I won't boo or hiss except to ask what difference it would make if he did go to a Mosque? This is what Cullen Powell hit on when he didn't vote conservative this go around. We say we're a Christian nation but we desire separation of Church and state and have a clause for freedom of religion in the constitution. Where does it say the president can't be Muslim?

    Not all Muslim's are the radical enemies of our nation or the perpetrators of evil we see around the world. I see no problem as long as he doesn't join some radical group. I would want everyman to be a saved, God fearing Christian but have come to accept other religions do exist in this world.
     
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    This illustrates the confusion people seem to have today as a result of the "separation of church and state" lie they've come to believe.

    The US Constitution did not require "separation of church and state" much less "separation of church and society". The US Constitution merely forbade the US Congress to make any laws "respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" and this clause was included to preserve the rights of the States to handle these matters and to prevent the new national government from creating a national church that would supersede those of the states.

    It did not prohibit the citizens of the USA from actively seeking and choosing Christian candidates. It did not prohibit a political party from centering itself on Christianity or advocating laws based on Christianity. It did not prohibit the President from practicing Christianity or recognizing God in the course of his duties and as the source of true wisdom in leadership. It did not even prevent Congress from making statements regarding religion - they just can't make any laws respecting an establishment of religion. It did not mean that Americans did not recognize God as the ultimate source of all their blessings and needed the "hand" of Jesus Christ ever present in the workings of its people and its government.

    This "hand" has been our compass for hundreds of years but we are now hell bent to change that. This was not an issue for generations but now we're coming to the point of an absolute taboo on any religious activity whatsoever and that, friends, is only designed to stop Christianity or advise the enemies of Christianity.

    I see a problem with a President, a Senator, a Representative, a Judge, etc. who is not a Christian and a big problem for one who would be a Muslim. Open your eyes friend! You're over 20 years of age so you should see the problem growing all around you. Go back twice your age and you'll be shocked at the difference in thinking and attitudes on this subject.

    Muslims are not our friends in religious matters! They seek to destroy Christianity. They are some more radical they others but they are all dangerous. We are obligated, for the sake of our religious liberty, to be tolerant of them and permit them to worship. We could not force them to change their "hearts" even if we made it law. But we'd better keep our government and our society centered on Christianity else we will eventually understand first had what intolerance and persecution really is.
     
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    I hope you're wrong but he's clearly a pluralist and, by his own statements, not very strong in his understanding of Christianity so you never know what could happen.

    What's more notable is how indifferent so many people feel about this subject. Most either don't care or claim "separation of church and state" or blow off that "he's not our national pastor". It's a shame when Christians would not what a Christian leader for their nation and based on the entire Biblical story would not readily understand how important that really is.
     
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    If he believes there are many roads to heaven, then he would find no propblem worshiping in a mosque.
     
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