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Obama victory would make Kenya the most important nation in the world

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by LadyEagle, Oct 3, 2008.

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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    The clipping told what hospital he was born in and it was from a Honolulu newspaper.

    This 'born in Kenya' thing is a non-runner
     
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    The article says he is from Kenya - he is not.

    No one disputes he has family from Kenya, which, by the way, it about 85% Christian.
     
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    I'd like to know where you got the 85% figure, and how you define "Christian." I know several missionaries who have been there, and they would not assign that figure.

    His father was a Muslim (and some have said that he ws 7/8 Arabic and only 1/8 African, which would make Barak the first Arab-American president, not African).
     
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    Sorry, I left out 'according to the article' in the OP

    But this site lists a combined 'Christian' (as in protestant and catholic) of 78% and only 10% Muslim.

    The US State Department says that 80% of Kenya is either protestant or catholic.

    It appears that Kenya, at the very least, is not a Muslim state.

    (Please don't derail the thread with what are 'real Christians.' I know the difference - we are using 'christian' generically as opposed to 'muslim' here.
     
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    What is Odinga?
     
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    Haven't a clue - the issue here was that Obama's family is from Kenya and that is supposed to make us afraid of him.

    Why would we be afraid if a country which is 80% Christian in name increased in importance. The muslims there don't even have their own Islamic State, what makes us think it is going to happen in the US?

    Here is a quote from the US State Department link above.

     
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    When Idi Amin was ruling Uganda, there were a lot more Ugandan Christians, but his guys had the guns. Odinga is the radical cousin of BHO who has been getting big money from BHO, and who stole an election a few months ago. I could not remember if he had a declared religion, or if he was just a communist.
     
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    Thats is a tough one - I think (no evidence) that he is technically Anglican, but don't know that comes into play.

    However, Kenya is NOT a Muslim nation as implied.
     
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    Do you have proof that Obama has been sending 'big money' to Odinga?
     
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    Obama’s Influence in the Horn of Africa


    Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:53 PM

    By: Mignon Evans Article Font Size [​IMG] [​IMG]



    Raila Odinga, the charismatic, left-leaning prime minister of Kenya who claims to be first cousin to Barack Obama, owes much to the Illinois senator. Arguably, he would not occupy that high office but for Obama’s support in Kenyan elections.

    Arguably too, had Odinga been more successful in those elections, Kenya would now be on a fast track toward becoming a radical Islamic state and a haven for al-Qaida activists. Odinga did not win the presidential elections last December, and only after weeks of murder and mayhem was a truce negotiated that promoted Odinga to the newly created office as prime minister.

    Odinga says his mother was a sister of Obama’s father. For his part, Obama has neither confirmed nor denied the relationship. The elder Obama belonged to the Luo tribe, the same tribe Odinga hails from, and their ancestral villages are close to each other.

    Regardless of their biological DNA, however, they clearly share political DNA. Obama made arrangements for Odinga (then an opposition politician in a bureaucratic slot) to attend the 2004 Democratic Convention. It was Odinga who announced Obama’s planned visit to Kenya in 2006 and Odinga who told the Kenyan press that he had proposed the trip to his American cousin.

    Even in 2006, the junior senator from Illinois enjoyed rock-star popularity in Kenya. He was the local boy who had achieved breathtaking success in America: the only African-American in the U.S. Senate. Word was already out that this son of a Kenyan father might even run for president.
    When Obama arrived, thousands of Kenyans lined the streets and mobbed the parks where he spoke, so much so that US Marines (in civilian clothes) from the embassy were assigned to his security detail. The setting was described by one Kenyan daily, The Nation, as “Obama-mania” and “a magnet for politicians”.

    Raila Odinga enjoyed the benefits of this magnetism. For much of the trip, Odinga was at Obama’s side, sharing the platform with him, sometimes even addressing the crowds from the same microphone. When they went to Saiya district, Obama surprisingly did not visit his own father’s grave as had been expected; instead, he went to the mausoleum for Odinga’s father, an icon of the Kenyan independence movement.

    For Odinga it was a PR triumph of the first order. The rock star’s glitter rubbed off on his putative cousin by the bucket.
    Nor did Obama limit his role to boosting Odinga’s image. The senator also criticized the incumbent Kenyan president. Mike Flannery, political editor for CBS2 in Nairobi, reported that Obama had accused the Kibaki government (Odinga’s opponent) of corruption “almost every day since he arrived.”

    The political temperature grew hotter than the Nairobi summer. Dr. Alfred Matua, a government spokesman, accused Odinga of “using Obama as his stooge, as his puppet.” Matua added, “Sen. Obama has to look critically at where he’s receiving advice from.”

    Although there were personal elements to the Obama visit, e.g., his return to his ancestral village, he was in Kenya as the representative of the U.S. government. The fact that he was attacking the government of Mwai Kibaki, a stalwart U.S. ally in the war on terror, carried implications far beyond Obama’s support of a Luo tribesman.

    Muslims constitute 10 percent of the Kenyan population and are concentrated largely in the northeast and along the coast. Many Kenyans were killed or wounded when al-Qaida bombed the American embassy in Nairobi in 1998. Al-Qaida struck again in 2002 when terrorists killed 13 people at a Mombasa resort and fired a Stinger missile at an airliner leaving Nairobi. More recently 35,000 refugees have fled from radical Islamists in adjacent Somalia into Kenya. President Kibaki’s vigorous prosecution of terrorists has met with vigorous objection from some elements of the Muslim community.

    A year after Obama’s visit and just before winning his own party’s nomination for president, Odinga met with a radical Muslim group (the National Muslim Leaders Forum, NAMLEF) and entered into a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) on Aug. 27, 2007. The fact that he and NAMLEF had signed an agreement was reported. The text of the MOU, however, was not revealed.

    Soon, however, a copy of the document was circulating on the Internet: NAMLEF would “instruct all Muslims of their duty” to support Odinga for the presidency and Odinga, if elected, would implement a program that included:

    (1) Amending the Constitution to recognize Shariah as “the only true law sanctioned“ by the Quran in “Muslim-declared regions”;
    (2) Establishing Shariah courts throughout the country;
    (3) Requiring every primary school to conduct daily madrassa classes;
    (4) Empowering the Council of Muslim Elders to “oversee” all religious activities in the coast region with the right to disapprove “cults and other evil practices”;
    (5) Banning the sale of alcoholic beverages and other prohibited beverages everywhere that Muslims constituted 40 percent or more of the population;
    (6) Banning women’s clothing deemed offensive to Muslims in Muslim-majority sections of the country, applying the dress code to both Muslims and non-Muslims;
    (7) Making the northeast and coastal regions of the country autonomous; and
    (8) Disbanding the anti-terror police and issuing ID cards to all Muslims (regardless of immigrant status) in the Northeast and prohibiting extradition of “any Muslim residing in Kenya whether citizen, visitor, or relative.”

    Such a program would have created a sanctuary for al-Qaida near the Horn of Africa and established a Taliban-like state in at least parts of Kenya.

    Public demand that Odinga and NAMLEF disclose the MOU’s terms were met with silence. Then, The Nation reported on Nov. 5, Odinga denied signing any agreement with the Muslims, reminding his church audience that he too was a Christian.

    By Nov. 7 a group of young Muslims denounced Odinga for denying the MOU, saying that he had effectively called certain sheiks liars.
    By Nov. 8, Odinga acknowledged an agreement with Muslims but still declined to reveal its terms. Then various other Muslim groups joined in the dialogue, challenging NAMLEF’s authority to represent them.
    By Nov. 14 Odinga announced he would release the MOU to public review. Finally, on Nov. 28 he provided the text of a document (the “real MOU”, he said) to the media. The MOU that had circulated on the Internet was a fake, he said. The new MOU contained nothing about Shariah law or madrassas, but it still raised eyebrows.

    The fear inspired by the “Internet” MOU also inspired a heavy turnout of anti-Odinga voters, and he lost the late-December election to Kibaki. Odinga cried fraud, and Kenya was plunged into weeks of machete murders. Thousands were killed and 300,000 left homeless.

    Kofi Annan was brought in to broker a truce. Ultimately both sides agreed to a power-sharing arrangement with Kibaki retaining the presidency and Odinga becoming prime minister. It is only a truce, however. Odinga has not taken his eyes off the goal. Neither has al-Qaida.

    Mignon Evans is an attorney and former CIA officer.


    © 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.
     
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    Well, I would prefer a truly newsworthy source than Newsmax - I note that they don't substantiate their views. It really has no substance, though it does point out that Odinga is a 'christian.' Newsmax chose to adopt the 'internet memo' as true and cast aspersion in the 'official memo.'

    I did not read it word for word, did I miss the point that says Obama has been sending 'big money' to Odinga.


    I live in a foreign country. I can hardly imagine what this place would be like if a son of an Irish father was running for president. Of course there is excitement in Christian Kenya over Obama's run for office.
     
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    Roger, it's obvious from your posts on this topic that you know very little of what has gone on in Kenya or the political climate there. If you are relying on the MSM in the US for your information, you will not get it from them.

    http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4353
     
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    Nah, I read all that, err, information.


    I don't trust any source that claims - "The truth about..."

    It is always their version of the truth.
     
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    <PA edited-LE>So, lets just accept that whatever Roger says is a fact. That way we wont get banned.

    AJ
     
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    I wish I knew what I did to make you hate me so much. I also don't understand why you feel you need to express that personal hatred in thread after thread. Here is the whole blog in question:

    And, beside - who have I ever banned?

    Point is not that this guy is a 'good guy.' No one proposes that. I am simply looking for proof that Obama has sent him 'big money.'
     
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    I dont hate you, i do read your blog and about the work you are doing in Ireland, and I respect you and your ministry. I just think that you talk down to folks really bad. As if you are the parent and all us are just children.

    You come across as the undeniable authority on everything, and since you are an administrator, you do actually have the authority on here, you just come across as an abuser of that authority, as if being an administrator makes you the expert on everything.

    YOu have a habit of taking an innocent comment on a post and picking it apart just to prove it wrong.

    No, I dont hate you, in fact I do admire you greatly for what you are doing in your ministry, but sometimes your condescending attitude can be annoying. :godisgood:

    AJ
     
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    You really don't know me at all. You have chosen an opinion and you see everything in that light and you choose to make you feelings public. You have bitterly attacked me personally though I have never reciprocated in kind.

    An open forum is not the place to display such feelings. When I am wrong, point it out, but don't take things I say in my blog and use them out of context.

    A discussion forum is to discuss the topics in the thread, not to express your opinion of another poster.

    I am sorry, truly, that you feel the way you do about me, but you have chosen those feelings, and bringing those feelings up over and over again only derails the discussion at hand.

    When I am wrong point it out and call me on it, but please stop the personal attacks on my character based on your perceptions of me.

    I am not going to respond to any future attacks on me, but I will not edit them or delete them. I don't moderate threads where I am part of the discussion so if you feel the need to continue, I guess you are able to do so.
     
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    Can we get back to the topic?

    I would like to see where Obama gave big money to this chap and evidence that Obama's election will make Kenya the most important nation in the world.
     
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    Ajg, no one makes you stay here...give it a rest, man. Your attacks were uncalled for.
     
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    I was going to go into a post defending Roger and pointing out why ajg is completely wrong, but I think I'll just report the personal attacks that were made.
     
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