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Obama, what happened to open debate and transparency?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by matt wade, Aug 9, 2009.

  1. OldRegular

    OldRegular Well-Known Member

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    I notice you did not include babies!
     
  2. rbell

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    You must have the gift of clairvoyance...you know how much he gives to the poor.

    You definitely don't have the gift of understanding...being able to discern that opposing opressive taxation and government spending does not equate to a hatred for the poor.
     
  3. Revmitchell

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    Conservatives give significantly more out of their pockets to the needy than do liberals.
     
  4. Aaron

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    Liberals take. Conservatives give.
     
  5. LeBuick

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    Wrong, Conservatives give to the rich and Liberals give to the poor.

    The Bush tax cuts didn't do much for the common man (one time check then unemployment when your job left the country) but it sure made the rich richer when they sent our jobs overseas.

    And by the way, those were forced through congress by the Republican's using reconciliation. I hear all this cry for bipartisanship now but you didn't hear Boehner and Cantor talk about bipartisanship when they were forcing through those tax cuts.
     
  6. Bro. Curtis

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    Wow. Now you are just lieing with statistics.

     
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    I'm sorry to hear that but compare Clinton's numbers to those of Bush when it comes to jobs lost. Bush' tax cuts allows corporations to be exempt from paying taxes on all revenue made overseas. Overseas operations were inevitable at that point.

    There might of been one or two but that was not the target of the cuts. :laugh:

    Seriously, the Bush tax cuts are in effect today and we were hemorrhaging jobs at a rate of over 700K per month when he left office. If tax cuts save jobs like you're implying, why were we loosing so many while the Bush tax cuts were in effect?
     
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    We're not losing jobs to overseas markets. We're losing jobs because companies are going out of business.

    I gotta ask, and you may take this as disrespect, but which causes you to do more work....spinning for the zero, or Sunday sermon preperation ?
     
  9. poncho

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    Hmmmm. Maybe he's really Keith Olbermann?
     
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    Socialists and Their Lies

    May you receive ten-fold the practices of liberal "giving."
     
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    The sad thing is...Bush and Obama could do the exact same thing.

    LeBuick would praise the name of Obama, and fuss about Bush.

    Life is so much more fun when you maintain intellectual honesty.
     
  12. rbell

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    Out of curiosity...after a certain number of lies, does your conscience quit giving you trouble?

    Let's try this again...but this time, let's inject ssom truth into this.

    True conservatives believe in individual responsibility. They give, but they give more than liberals. (http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1) They tend to do it through more effective means (charitable organizations) than liberals.

    Liberals, however, take from one set of people and give to another, in order to purchase votes.

    Please note two things:
    1. This was not a post about D's and R's. If you make it about them, you are derailing the point made. I fully expect you will, because in this argument you're getting shellacked.
    2. Note that I gave evidence pointing out LeBuick's lie. I can't wait to see how he explains that one away. (My gut tells me he will give some offhand example about a Republican, and try and derail this subject before he gets even deeper in the hole).
     
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    Both liberals and conservatives give.

    Rich liberals take what belongs to some to give to others.

    Rich liberals start tax sheltered foundations and then put their shills on the board or in important positions... to act effectively in the interest of their other interests and investments while presenting the public appearance of doing good.

    Conservatives give to church and synagogue, charities, United Way... etc. and volunteer. Often consevatives who home school their children also introduce them to benevolent activity and volunteerism ....... which seldom happens in school unless through a organization .
     
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    Why don't we wait until we find out what Obama actually does rather than what he could do?
     
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    Many supporters of Barrack Hussein Obama...... parrotted his rectoric as true when the campaign was running. On this board they called any who questioned or opposed him.... liars. Now that he is in: Now that he is showing his hand....... They still deny and call others liars and refuse to face the facts.

    Just a couple of benign facts are....... befor the election..... it was offensive to both him and his supporters when his full name was used..... with Hussein in the middle. If it was offensive then..... why isn't it now...... what changed? His name is still Barack Hussein Obama.

    When campaigning in Missouri, BHO or his campaign hired guards to police, intimidate, and challenge any who opposed him vigorously raising questions of origin, religion, socialism, etc. His supporters said the rest of us were making this up. Now, the WH is encouraging people to turn in sources, including people with misinformation concerning the health care plan. (For those who support him...... You really think you're 'immune'.....how do you know someone has turned you in as misrepresenting Obama's health care plan..... when it is a mattter of interpretation?)

    But the deception continues. Just like......... all we have is his word as he is who he says he is, from where he says he came from, with education and professional experience which he claims he has. Some treat this ambiguity or lack of information as the problem of those who want to know. Many of these supporters seem to be so convinced that they would be willing to die rather than admit that these concerns could and should be addressed. Unfortunately, we do have people dying who would like to know the authenticity of their CIC.
     
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    No, I simply read his response.

    They support him:

    1) Because they hate you and want to see the gifts that God has given stolen and given to others.
     
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    Since Obama has been in office he has done nothing but continue his campaign rhetoric. Hopefully he will never be able to implement his Marxist policies. Of course the radical leftists in Congress are trying.
     
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    He never did stop campaigning and now it is so unorganized he is losing credibility.
     
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    Are you suggesting that we wait until there has been a bill passed and signed before forming an opinion?

    What good will it do at that time?
     
  20. alatide

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    All statements that ascribe a set of characteristics to a large group of people are not only discriminatory but unchristian. People are individuals and should be treated as such. That's what the Bible teaches.
     
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