Obama Will Not Withdraw Troops From Iraq

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  1. carpro

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    http://www2.nysun.com/article/74207

    Obama Adviser Calls for 60,000-80,000 U.S. Troops To Stay in Iraq Through 2010

    By ELI LAKE
    Staff Reporter of the Sun
    April 4, 2008

    WASHINGTON — A key adviser to Senator Obama's campaign is recommending in a confidential paper that America keep between 60,000 and 80,000 troops in Iraq as of late 2010, a plan at odds with the public pledge of the Illinois senator to withdraw combat forces from Iraq within 16 months of taking office.
     
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    Yes but he calls them "a peace-keeping force". I guess that makes it OK.
     
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    You mean...he's lying! :eek:

    Like not knowing his pastor was a racist!
     
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    A couple of things to note from the NY Sun article.

    The author Colin Kahl:
    Obama's foreign affairs adviser Susan Rice:
    I think it is good that Obama has a range of views in his advisors instead of only having a bunch of "yes men" that always agree with his views.
     
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    Could it be that even Obama knows there's a good reason for us to be there?
     
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    The title of this thread is not correct.
     
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    Obama is probably just following the advice of his foreign policy advisor. Can't spell his name but his initials are ZB. He feels (according to one of his books) that global hegemony and imperial mobilizations by the world's only superpower are a must in this new technocratic age.

    Serious! Read the book. The Grand Chessboard.

    Obama's foreign policy will be exactly the same as Zbigniew Brezeinski's foreign policy because it will be Zbigniew Brezeinski's Trilateral foreign policy. Long story short transnationals will be in charge of the ongoing foreign affairs and military adventurism of the United States of America. Basically a foreign power. But who cares we gotta keep the terrorists on the run.

    Right?

    You'll get the same with McCain or Hillary. Transnationals in charge of the United States foreign policy. But what's new?

    Ya get what ya accept.
     
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    I wonder what else he's lying about?

    Well, no I don't. Not really.

    But he's getting a lot of practice lately denying things his staff puts out.

    It's really sorta funny. I doubt his staff is making this stuff up.:tonofbricks:

    Now watch his apologists and deniers rally round.:thumbs:
     
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    You haven't proved that he lied about anything. Please provide your proof.
     
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    Does stretch the bounds of credibility somewhat, doesn't it? :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    I guess if you ask a simple question to a heckler you get no response.
     
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    But it doesn't sell well to his liberal followers, so a little deception seems to be the order of the day. ;)
     
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    Carpro, a man of character would either back up what he says or would retract his statement. Need I say more?
     
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    No he's just being a good one worlder. Any nation that does not wish to join the new (world) international order will get the same treatment...or worse.

    Why does any of this matter anyway? Can somebody please tell me? Dragoon? You're real good at explaining in a touching heartfelt manner why we should all be proud to serve the empire to the last drop could you tell me why Obama and what he thinks about maintaining that empire matters, in light of the fact that we as a nation aren't supposed to even be an empire?
     
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    It only matters because he is leading his lambs to believe he will pull all the troops out of Iraq, but his real plans (according to his staff) will leave over half of them there through 2010.

    It remains to be seen whether or not he will ignore the advice of his staff of advisors, but either way he has every intention of leaving 30-40 thousand troops there for the foreseeable future.

    He's not going to pull them out at all.
     
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    That is not so.
     
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    I hope you don't expect the truth from Carpro; he won't even answer a question or back up what he says!
     
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    I agree Carpro. Seeing as how his advisers think in terms of how best to use America's "imperial powers"* there is only one thing he can do...use that power to protect the realm for the "American social and political elites"* by keeping it's outer reaches well garrisoned and ready for future "imperial mobilizations"* that are sure to arise.

    With Brzezinski and Obama we'll just get the same old internationalist pipe dreams of global domination using America's superior military and economic might...not to mention "the sheer dynamism and inherent competitiveness of the American social and political elites"* (lust for power and wealth).

    *Words actually used by Brzezinski to describe "American primacy"* explaining why he feels it should be used to protect and expand the new international order in Eurasia.


    This is how these guys think. Trips me out personally. Obama isn't about to abandon those brand new permanent military bases in Iraq Cheney had built.

    Ken,

    I'm confused buddy. How can you go along with all this anti american elitist international garbage and be a Ron Paul supporter at the same time? What's up Ken? C'mon you can tell me we're pards remember?
     
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    Senator Obama is closer to my views on civil liberties and foreign policy than Senator McCain is.
     
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    Then why did you bother to support Ron Paul at all? His views are diameterically opposed to the three neoliberals we're being forced to choose from one of whom you now support.

    Why did you defect to the dark side so easily? Explain yourself mister!
     

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