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Obama's Birth Certificate

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by OldRegular, Aug 15, 2009.

  1. LeBuick

    LeBuick New Member

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    No I don't, but most of you do... That is the point. You can't use the constitution when it serves your purpose then ignore it when it doesn't. That's called hypocrisy.
     
  2. OldRegular

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    I would like to know if Obama is really a Muslim!
     
  3. Mexdeaf

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    (With apologies to Miss Shari and Lamb Chop-) This is the story that has no end, it keeps going on and on my friend; some folks started telling it not knowing what it was and they're still telling it because... This is the story that has no end, it keeps going on and on my friend; some folks started telling it not knowing what it was and they're still telling it because... This is the story that has no end, it keeps going on and on my friend; some folks started telling it not knowing what it was and they're still telling it because... This is the story that has no end, it keeps going on and on my friend; some folks started telling it not knowing what it was and they're still telling it because...

    I mean, I'd love for it to come out that the O is an impostor and has to leave office... (on second thought, no- I wouldn't because that would leave us with Joe "Can't shoot straight" Biden as Prez and Nancy "Let them eat cake" Pelosi as Veep.)
     
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  4. OldRegular

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    Pelosi would not take over as VP unless Biden picked her and even he is not that stupid!
     
  5. OldRegular

    OldRegular Well-Known Member

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    The 10th amendment has nothing to do with the legal qualifications to serve as the president. And for a leftist to talk about states rights is comical.
     
  6. Mexdeaf

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    Unless I am mistaken the Constitution calls for the Speaker of the house to take the Veep spot if the Veep should move up to the president's spot. There's no "choosing" needed.
     
  7. EdSutton

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    You do happen to be mistaken, here, on this one. The Speaker would be next in line for the President, on a
    'short term' basis, to be sure.

    There are laws for Presidential succession that, in the event of the sudden death (or I presume also resignations) of both the President and Vice-President where the line of succession follows down via the Speaker of the House (currently Nancy Pelosi), President pro-tem of the Senate (currently Robert Byrd), then through the various Cabinet officers, as determined by when the particular Department became such, until one is 'qualified' filling the terms of the Constitution, to be President. Incidentally, two fairly recent former Secy's of State, the first Cabinet officer on the list, would not have been eligible to be President, namely Henry Kissinger, and Madeline Albright, due the 'native-born' clause of the Constitution, and that also could certainly be true for some who were Senate President pro-tem and/or Speaker of the House, although I have not researched this to see if that has ever been the case for any who have held these positions.

    However, under Amendment XXV, the provision for the choosing of a 'replacement' Vice President and/or President is given, and under that scenario is how Gerald Ford came to be first Vice-President and later President, and Nelson Rockefeller became Vice-President.

    BTW, the awareness of the possibility of some sort of terrorist attack, is the reason why when the 'great'? addresses of the President in such things as the State of The Union addresses, or other such major convocations are given, is why a couple of Cabinet Secretaries and a couple of Supreme Court judges, plus a few members of the House and Senate are are always absent and sequestered in unknown locations, so that if, God forbid, such an event were to occur, we would still have a functioning government, when the dust had finally cleared.

    Ed
     
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    You do happen to be mistaken, here.

    There are laws for Presidential succession that, in the event of the sudden death (or I presume also resignations) of both the President and Vice-President where the line of succession follows down via the Speaker of the House (currently Nancy Pelosi), President pro-tem of the Senate (currently Robert Byrd), then through the various Cabinet officers, as determined by when the particular Department became such, until one is 'qualified' filling the terms of the Constitution, to be President. Incidentally, two fairly recent former Secy's of State, the first Cabinet officer on the list, would not have been eligible to be President, namely Henry Kissinger, and Madeline Albright, due the 'native-born' clause of the Constitution, and that also could certainly be true for some who were Senate President pro-tem and/or Speaker of the House, although I have not researched this to see if that has ever been the case for any who have held these positions.

    However, under Amendment XXV, the provision for the choosing of a 'replacement' Vice President and/or President is given, and under that scenario is how Gerald Ford came to be first Vice-President and later President, and Nelson Rockefeller became Vice-President.

    Ed
     
  9. alatide

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    In other words, you think the American form of government is a failure. Is that correct? What would you l;ike to change it to?
     
  10. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    So, do you thinks states have the right to certify their citizens, or must Washington do that?

    The answer of course is a national birth registry listing detailed information about every person born in America including the religious beliefs and practices of the parents. This would only be a transition to a National Birth Certificate (long of course). The information there could then be entered on the National Identity Card so that we never have to wonder about these kind of details in the future. That card of course must include the person's religion. That way we can have a national standard and stop having to bother with those silly states and their ridiculous rights. Citizens will no longer be able hide anything about themselves from The Nation! We can then know for sure if their religion makes them a threat to The Whole.

    Well, our amazing Constitution clearly forbids the religious test you desire.

    That pesky Constitution keeps getting in the way.
     
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    Your continued assertion that political candidates have no responsibility to provide evidence or that a state cannot be questioned is absurd and without constitutional foundation. One does not lead to a national birth registry.
     
  12. Mexdeaf

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    Hey, "Mistaken" is my middle name. :laugh:
     
  13. OldRegular

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    States rights have nothing to do with the Constitutional requirements for president!

    Reread my comment above and if you still don't understand read it again. Where did I comment on any religious test for president. I simply said I would like to know if Obama is a Muslim.

    The Constitution does forbid a religious test for office. The Constitution also gives me the right to vote as I choose. If I want to apply a religious test I am free to do so.:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
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    The State of Hawaii has certified him as born in Hawaii. They have the right to do that. therefore he fulfils the 'natural born' requirement. The case is closed.

    I didn't realise you can tell a person's religion by their birth certificate. How can you do that? It's not on mine, and if it was it would say I was a Methodist - which I am not.

    Maybe we should require anyone who wants to post in the Baptist Only sections of this board to fax the long copy of their birth certificate to prove they are not closet Muslims.

    And speaking of comical, referring to me as a leftist certainly fits the bill.
     
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    Last I checked, Obama was not running for President of Hawaii. One state does not overrule the States as a whole. It's an injustice that he has not had to produce his long form. It's not like he applied to be CEO of Citibank...he applied as CEO of the USA, which has that requirement built into the office.
     
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    I am confused by the absolute hatred that American Baptists have poured out on Obama! He is your country's leader and deserves respect whether you like him or not. I am content to be a "socialist Canadian" and can see that you folks possess a uniquely American faith that is not meant for anyone of a different political persuasion or race. The rest of the world that enjoys socialized medicine is watching your tone and attitude and it is obvious that politcs trumps Christ for you and that you hate us for enjoying a better system.
     
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    And he, according to his home state, a sovereign entity, has fulfilled it. That is how this Republic functions.

    If you want to lobby for federal birth certificates, feel free to do so. Until then states have that authority.
     
  18. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Please put away your broad brush - only a handful of 'American Baptists' harbour the feelings you so aptly describe. The rest of us acknowledge that he is the president and give him the respect he is Biblically due.

    And with that I've said enough. You will note Hamilton that the same vitriol spewed on the president is also given to those of us who disagree with this line of thinking.
     
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  19. HAmilton

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    Broadbrush

    CK4,

    Your point is well taken, I was wrong to apply the same judgement so broadly. My apologies.

    HAmilton
     
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