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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Dragoon68, Jun 2, 2008.
Obama's Former Church Received $15 Million in Federal Grants
I guess you haven't really read the article, have you?
I read it. Here is a quote from it.
FOX News has learned that over the last 15 years, Trinity has received at least $15 million in grants from the federal government — in other words, taxpayer money.
Did they receive grants they were not qualified for? If not, what's the problem?
They sure know how to work the system...
I read it and posted it. If there's something not factual about it I'd like to know. Otherwise, I can simply agree to understand that not everyone wants to read this news.
I'd like them to return the part of the taxpayer money that came for the "rich white men" they seem to hate so much.
Ya got that right...!!! :thumbs:
You can "thank" President Bush's Faith Based Initiative for a lot of this.
That is a great point, Ken.
Just curious, who are "they"?
"They", in this instance, is Trinity...the church.
Everyone cries separation of church and state, but some churches sure don't mind taking government money!
That's $15 million over the last 15 years. That's 15 years - not 8 years!
Grants like this didn't start with Bush or his recent predecessors. Yes, the "Faith Based Initiative" is mentioned and certainly continues, if not adds to, it. But the "Records show this money supported a variety of outreach: everything from low income housing to nutritional programs for needy kids to money for HIV/AIDS education."
Was it illegal? No, it doesn't seem so! At least it's not illegal according to the laws on the books. Was it the original intent that government be doing this kind of this? I don't think so!
Is it stupid and not the role of the Federal government? Yes! It matters not whether it was done under the Bush or the Clinton administrations. Either way it originated in Congress and it's nothing but payback for political gain or social re-engineering at the expense of the whole nation. It doesn't matter what church is involved nor for that matter the endless list of pork projects Congress funds every single year.
In the article a commentator named Jay Shafritz states: "It’s a dangerous thing to do because there’s a reason that the government gives that kind of support to the church. If the church bites the hand that feeds them, maybe that support is going to end." I see a different concern: It is a dangerous thing to do because ... the church may kiss the ... that feeds it to keep the support coming.
But this article is more about the irony regarding the take by this church in light of its outward criticism of all that is "white" as it proclaims its black liberation "theology" from its pulpit to each of its members - including Obama - who have, or had, itching ears for that message. Is it shameful that Wright complains about "rich white men", accuses the government of causing HIV among blacks, and yet takes the money to build his own church? Absolutely!
Its only a matter of amounts. Any church will accept state fire and police protection even though they pay no taxes.
I guess taxes to churches is ok if they teach what you want them to teach?!! It doesn't work that way. The folks who pass out the money (the state) can't discriminate between the folks teaching abstinence and the folks passing out condoms and teaching safe sex. Now all the people warning about the mingling of church and state aren't so crazy after all
That's an interesting comment. Not to disagree but it just triggered some additional thoughts from me:
Local government fire and police protection are a long ways from federal grants for social engineering and paybacks.
I think we've come to think all the limitations - that's a bit of an oxymoron - placed on the federal government should also apply to the state and local governments. That's just leading us closer to a provincial government.
Federal pork makes anyone who eats it sick!
The wise Benjamin Franklin put it succinctly, and thusly:
"When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, 'tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." - Benjamin Franklin, in a letter to Richard Price. October 9, 1790.
I say halt all public doles to religious organizations and tax the churches.