Obamas kids - should they be the subject of this debate?

You cherry picked his comment to make him appear to say something he didn't. You are no better than Micheal Moore, but that's probably a compliment, to you.

Purdy dishonest, if'n you ask me.

 

No, you are wrong, and no I didn't ask you.

Many years ago I taught elementary school and often I would have problems with students who stuck their nose in other people's business. I would write these letters on the board:

MYOB

This can be good advice for children and adults alike. :tongue3:

 

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

First of all, you gotta lot of nerve telling anyone MYOB, what with all the time you spend barking over M.P.'s shoulder. Physician, heal thyself.

Second, you are wrong to edit Matt's post. You should admit that.

 

I thought MYOB would give you a laugh.

Guilty as charged! But, remember we are vastly outnumbered here.

No, I don't think I was wrong. I don't believe I misrepresented what Matt was saying.

 

Clearly you did whether you intended to or not.

The rest of his post sets a much different tone to the entire post.

 

Personal observation, eye witness news. Don't believe it, come live here for a few months.

Nearly every kid in our entire school district receives free lunches. We are one of the top three poorest counties in Texas and make the top ten list in the US. Supposedly our median income is $22k. Many of the kids also get free breakfast and are supplied free school supplies because they can't afford paper and pencils. Many of them bring candybars and chips from home, yet they can't afford the meal ticket. Tray after tray of free lunches get dumped in the trash everyday because they just filled up on the candybar and chips. I see it with my own eyes.

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And it is also interesting to see many of those same children wearing the latest name brand fashions, sporting the latest greatest cellphone, many have the latest mp3 players and hand-held gaming systems, in class. And yet they don't have a notebook or pack of paper, they don't have a book bag, they don't have pens and pencils, and they don't turn in assignments. They expect everything to be given to them once they arrive on campus, including their grades. Oh and don't forget the marijuana, they have plenty of that too.

The system is broken. Sure their are a few truly needy families in our community, but nothing that the local churches and charities could not handle, but why should they, the government takes care of them. Sure there are a few kids who would not get a lunch if it were not provided, but a very small percentage, nothing the church couldn't take care of. And why should the school district care if the system is being abused. It means more federal money, more jobs for the district, and so they encourage everyone who can to be on the free-ride train. We pay full time salaries for people who write and oversee the federal grants. The FREE train is big business in this county.

And hey while we are at it, those poor kids would go hungry in the summer. So guess what, another federal program. Now we can keep our school cafeterias open in the summer and provide free lunches all summer long. School representatives are even kind enough to come by the church during VBS and invite everyone to come and get their free lunch. No proof of need required, they want to fluff the numbers and make it look good. Doctor's kids, lawyer's kids, federal agent's kids may all be seen enjoying their FREE meals during the summer, because they are so poor and needy and would starve to death before school started back. Oh and don't forget the mop up crew, we need to pay the janitors to be there too.

Oh and while we are at it, why not mention all the kids that live in Mexico. Their families don't pay school, city, county, state or federal taxes. And yet every morning they cross the bridge attend our schools, eat our free breakfasts and lunches, don't even have to learn English because the classes are taught in Spanish, use our free school supplies, and then go back home to Mexico in the afternoon. The school district doesn't really care if 20 families are using the same address of the same abandoned trailer house. Why? More FREE money.

If there is a nation dumber than this one, I don't know which it would be.
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And this is just one poor school district, in one poor county, in this Bankrupt Nation.

 

I see what you are saying, but I believe this need can only be accomplished with government intervention.

 

RD White...thank you sir for the first hand account. You illustrated exactly what I was trying to say! :applause:

 

And there lies your problem. You believe in a nanny state. I believe people should pull themselves up and get busy making themselves a better life.

 

If you are handicapped enough that you can't work to feed your children, how do you even take care of your children?

As I stated previously, in some special cases people need help. In those cases private charity, churches, etc should and would help out. The problem with the government system is that they hand out to everyone and anyone and it is utterly abused.

 

Then stretch you mind a bit. Even if only for an exercise. The easy way out always has a price.

 

Matt, I have worked with my hands in manufacturing facilities for over 25 years. When times were tough, I have done day labor, cut grass, swept parking lots, and the like. Please don't think that I sit in some ivory tower looking down at others.

I feel that the government should do more to help the poor instead of giving advantages to the wealthy.

 

I understand what you are saying, but I believe it would be impossible to live strictly by the Constitution today like they did perhaps in the late 1700's. Good or bad I feel we have moved beyond this and there is no way back.

 

Amazing how socialist have so much to say in theory, but become so silent when faced with real life examples.

 

So what would you suggest we do to limit the governmet's power? Or are you suggesting there shouldn't be limits on the government's power? I confess, I'm a bit confused just what are you saying?

 

You seem to believe that "government" has something to give. Government has nothing to give at all. They take from one set of people and give it to another. Government produces nothing and therefore has nothing to give.

The "poor" that you would like to see helped already pay nothing in income tax (to the tune of 50% of Americans). Many of them get money back on tax returns and don't pay anything in, so are in effect getting free money. Those people that don't pay taxes are able to do because the "wealthy" pay their share. The money that people get back, when they didn't pay in, comes from the "wealthy" as well.

All the services that are currently provided to the "poor" are paid for by the "wealthy".

You need to stop this ignorant talk that the government provides this and the government needs to provide that. In fact, it's not ignorant at all. You know full well that the government doesn't provide any of these things. You know that it's the so called "wealthy" that provide these things.

 

We have all those organizations today yet people are starving and living on the streets. In fact, times are so tough that a lot of these organization have run our of resources to help.

No, I don't believe it is governments job to take care of the poor but I for one won't stand in its way. I have no objection to anyone, this include government, who wants to extend a helping hand.

Why would you object?

 

Instead of being angry at your diatribe, I actually feel sorry for you, not because we disagree on this issue, but because you find it necessary to hurl such insults at those who disagree with you.