Obama's Meaning of Change

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  1. Dragoon68

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    Following are some selected bills sponsored by Senator Obama in the current Congressional session. This is not all of them - just some of them - and it's a very long list. The comments in brackets are mine. It would take days to read and comment on all of them. It doesn't take long to get the idea what Obama's plan for "change" might be from this sampling. It's all about more taxes, more spending, and more control. It's all about more favored treatment for selected groups - including those of his father's race. It's all about grabbing more power and control from the States through grants that require certain conditions to be met. Go the Library of Congress web site and dig into some of these. Do the same thing for the other candidates - including his potential running mate - as well. McCain has an interesting list as well. I cut none of them any slack. They're all about more taxes, more spending, and more control. Pork is their main course and we Americans aren't holding them to much of diet either.


    S.CON.RES.5 : A concurrent resolution honoring the life of Percy Lavon Julian, a pioneer in the field of organic chemistry and the first and only African-American chemist to be inducted into the National Academy of Sciences.

    S.CON.RES.25 : A concurrent resolution condemning the recent violent actions of the Government of Zimbabwe against peaceful opposition party activists and members of civil society.

    S.CON.RES.44 : A concurrent resolution expressing the sense of Congress that a commemorative postage stamp should be issued honoring Rosa Louise McCauley Parks.

    S.CON.RES.46 : A concurrent resolution supporting the goals and ideals of Sickle Cell Disease Awareness Month.

    S.RES.133 : A resolution celebrating the life of Bishop Gilbert Earl Patterson.

    S.RES.383 : A resolution honoring and recognizing the achievements of Carl Stokes, the first African-American mayor of a major American city, in the 40th year since his election as Mayor of Cleveland, Ohio.

    S.114 : A bill to authorize resources for a grant program for local educational agencies to create innovation districts.

    [This bill is for a grant program targeted to African-American and Latino schools.]

    S.115 : A bill to suspend royalty relief, to repeal certain provisions of the Energy Policy Act of 2005, and to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal certain tax incentives for the oil and gas industry.

    S.116 : A bill to authorize resources to provide students with opportunities for summer learning through summer learning grants.

    [This is a grant program targeted to summer learning for students whose qualifications include being on the "free lunch" program.]

    S.133 : A bill to promote the national security and stability of the economy of the United States by reducing the dependence of the United States on oil through the use of alternative fuels and new technology, and for other purposes.

    [This is another ethanol subsidy program.]

    S.453 : A bill to prohibit deceptive practices in Federal elections.

    [This is bill that, essentially, stands in the way of requiring positive identification to vote. The so called "deceptive practices" include: "... Native American voters ... prevented from voting after they did not provide photographic identification ...", Latino voters being warned the if they were illegal immigrant they could be jailed for voting, etc.]


    S.737 : A bill to amend the Help America Vote Act of 2002 in order to measure, compare, and improve the quality of voter access to polls and voter services in the administration of Federal elections in the States.

    [This is a bill to establish an Office of Voter Advocate.]

    S.795 : A bill to assist aliens who have been lawfully admitted in becoming citizens of the United States, and for other purposes.

    [This is a bill to establish a "New Americans Initiative" and to award grants to private agencies.]

    S.823 : A bill to amend the Public Health Service Act with respect to facilitating the development of microbicides for preventing transmission of HIV/AIDS and other diseases, and for other purposes.

    S.1068 : A bill to promote healthy communities.

    [This bill is to establish "Health Action Zones". It targets African-Americans and Latinos. It authorizes $50 million in grants.]

    S.1222 : A bill to stop mortgage transactions which operate to promote fraud, risk, abuse, and under-development, and for other purposes.

    S.1271 : A bill to provide for a comprehensive national research effort on the physical and mental health and other readjustment needs of the members of the Armed Forces and veterans who served in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom and their families.

    S.1324 : A bill to amend the Clean Air Act to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from transportation fuel sold in the United States.

    [This bill will result in further increases in the cost of fuel and thereby goods and services. Then we will complain to the government to fix that problem.]

    S.1389 : A bill to authorize the National Science Foundation to establish a Climate Change Education Program.

    [This bill is to authorize "such sums as may be necessary" for the government to teach us what is climate change.]

    S.1513 : A bill to amend the Higher Education Act of 1965 to authorize grant programs to enhance the access of low-income African-American students to higher education.

    [This bill does not apply to non-black students. It is to authorize "such sums as may be necessary".]]

    S.1574 : A bill to establish Teaching Residency Programs for preparation and induction of teachers.

    [This bill is to authorize $50 million for teaching residency programs and is targeted to African-Americans and Latinos.]

    S.1713 : A bill to provide for the issuance of a commemorative postage stamp in honor of Rosa Parks.

    S.1790 : A bill to make grants to carry out activities to prevent the incidence of unintended pregnancies and sexually transmitted infections among teens in racial or ethnic minority or immigrant communities, and for other purposes.

    [This bill does not apply to non-minority teens. It is to provide $7.5 million in grants for what parents should be doing.]

    S.1977 : A bill to provide for sustained United States leadership in a cooperative global effort to prevent nuclear terrorism, reduce global nuclear arsenals, stop the spread of nuclear weapons and related material and technology, and support the responsible and peaceful use of nuclear technology.

    S.1989 : A bill to provide a mechanism for the determination on the merits of the claims of claimants who met the class criteria in a civil action relating to racial discrimination by the Department of Agriculture but who were denied that determination.

    [This does not apply to non-minorities.]

    S.2030 : A bill to amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require reporting relating to bundled contributions made by persons other than registered lobbyists.

    S.2066 : A bill to establish nutrition and physical education standards for schools.

    [This bill is to do what local school districts and parents can and should do.]

    S.2111 : A bill to amend the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 to allow State educational agencies, local educational agencies, and schools to increase implementation of early intervention services, particularly school-wide positive behavior supports.

    [This bill is to do what local school districts and parents can and should do.]
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    S.2202 : A bill to amend the Clean Air Act to increase the renewable content of gasoline, and for other purposes.

    [This is another ethanol subsidy program. Just wait until we see the real cost - if it can ever be calculated - of a gallon of gasoline made this way.]

    S.2227 : A bill to provide grants to States to ensure that all students in the middle grades are taught an academically rigorous curriculum with effective supports so that students complete the middle grades prepared for success in high school and postsecondary endeavors, to improve State and district policies and programs relating to the academic achievement of students in the middle grades, to develop and implement effective middle school models for struggling students, and for other purposes.

    [This is a bill to take more money from some of the people of all the States and it give it back in the form of grants to selected people of some of the States.]

    S.2433 : A bill to require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.

    [This is a bill to use our taxes to pay for increasing the wealth of others around the world.]

    S.AMDT.524 to S.CON.RES.21 To provide $100 million for the Summer Term Education Program supporting summer learning opportunities for low-income students in the early grades to lessen summer learning losses that contribute to the achievement gaps separating low-income students from their middle-class peers.

    [This bill does not apply to other than low-income students except, of course, when it comes time to collect the taxes to fund it.]

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  2. carpro

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    There was never any question in my mind.
     
  3. Baptist in Richmond

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    So, I guess you think Obama is just as bad as the GOP, the party of HUGE MASSIVE deficits?

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    I think many of them are of the same genus but of different species! They have different ideas of about where and how to spend the money. To that end I prefer the Republicans - at least where they once stood - over the Democrats. They're a few that aren't even in the same family or order - it's like they represent another country I never knew - and most of those seem to me to be of the Democrat persuasion.

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    he net result is more taxes, more spending, and more power lost to the federal government with each Congress.

    I haven't changed my mind about some of the issues we've been through in recent years - most especially the war in Iraq which I still support - but I'm feed up with all our politicians when it comes to their interest in limitied federal government.

    Regardless, I don't like the current third party options either.

    This is like being in a restaurant and not finding anything on the menu you like, knowing you need to order something, it's going to cost you a whole lot, and you're going to have indigestion for a long time.
     
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    To what era are you referring? Going back to Reagan, the GOP have been spending more money than they receive, in staggering proportions. The GOP has stood for MASSIVE deficits, especially when they are in complete control.

    Regards,
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    I think I'd rather stick to the topic of this thread which is about Obama's meaning of change.
     
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    Misdirection is a favorite tool of liberals.

    Obama has already proposed enough programs that he has to increase tax revenue by massive amounts to fund even part of them.

    And he's not finished.

    If he is elected, and if he gets his way, every working American's take home pay will be decreased by as much as half.
     
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    Same old tactics of fear and lies. Do you have any facts & figures on how you calculated that, or did you just pull it out of your hat?
     
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    I am simply drilling down as to what "change" really means. By asking questions, I can understand your perspective/opinion/thought process.
     
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    <edited-LE>.

    Somebody has to pay for this quagmire that the current Administration has given us.

    Half?
    Please provide the proof for such an assertion.

    Amazing....
     
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    While I can understand why you would be fearful, you have proven many times that the <edited LE>.
     
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    Your personal attack has been reported to the mods. Keep on the issues, and get over your fascination with me. Just because you disagree with someone's politics doesn't mean truth doesn't matter to them. Your view of truth is your overrated assessment of your opinions as facts.
     
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    I am always fascinated by the willfull ignorance of some individuals.

    There are literally hundreds of sources that indicate the future tax policies of an Obama presidency.

    Here is just a few. I fully expect you to shut your eyes and go into full denial mode.


    Obama Has Called For Higher Income Taxes, Social Security Taxes, Investment Taxes, And Corporate Taxes, As Well As "Massive New Domestic Spending." "Obama's transformation, if you go by his campaign so far, would mean higher income taxes, higher Social Security taxes, higher investment taxes, higher corporate taxes, massive new domestic spending, and a healthcare plan that perhaps could be the next step to a full-scale, single-payer system. Is that what most Americans want, someone who will fulfill a Democratic policy wish list?" (James Pethokoukis, "Barack Hussein Reagan? Ronald Wilson Obama?" U.S. News & World Report's "Capital Commerce" Blog, www.usnews.com, 2/12/08)

    Obama Has Called For A Tax On Coal And Natural Gas. Obama: "What we ought to tax is dirty energy, like coal and, to a lesser extent, natural gas." ("Q&A With Sen. Barack Obama," San Antonio Express-News, 2/19/08)

    Obama Has Called For A Windfall Profits Tax On Oil Companies. Obama: "I think it is appropriate for us to impose a windfall profits tax on our oil companies." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At A Campaign Event, Charlotte, NC, 5/2/08)


    CNBC's Maria Bartiromo Asked Obama: "Why Raise Taxes At All In An Economic Slowdown? Isn't That Going To Put A Further Strain On People?" (CNBC's "Closing Bell," 3/27/08)

    CNBC's Larry Kudlow: "First off, you don't raise taxes during a recession. That's a no-brainer." (Larry Kudlow, Op-Ed, "Why Not Blame Obama?" National Review, 4/18/08)

    U.S. News & World Report's James Pethokoukis Questions Obama's Rationale For Raising Capital Gains And Payroll Taxes When Obama Has Said The Economy Is In "Shambles." "If Obama is correct and the economy ... is 'in a shambles' and 'teetering not just on the edge of recession, but potentially worse,' why would he want to nearly double the capital-gains-tax rate, which is a tax on savings, investment, and, yes, housing? ... [W]hy would he want to raise payroll taxes by 6 to 12 percentage points on people making $100,000 or more? And again, Obama said this right after pledging not to raise taxes on people making under $200,000 to $250,000." (James Pethokoukis, "Obama-Clinton Debate In Philadelphia Spawns Weird Economics," U.S. News & W orld Report's "Capital Commerce" Blog, www.usnews.com, 4/17/08)


    Obama: "I Think That We Can Have A Capital Gains Rate That Is Higher Than 15 Percent." (CNBC's "Closing Bell," 3/27/08)

    In 2005, 47 Percent Of All Tax Returns Reporting Capital Gains Were From Households With Incomes Below $50,000. "Indeed, Mr. Obama should reconsider his belief that capital gains are mostly the province of the wealthy. Millions of middle-class Americans do in fact realize investment gains annually. In 2005, according to IRS data, 47% of all tax returns reporting capital gains were from households with incomes below $50,000, and 79% came from households with incomes below $100,000." (Editorial, "Obama Gains," The Wall Street Journal, 4/30/08)

    According To A Recent Rasmussen Poll Of Likely Voters, 48 Percent Said Their Own Taxes Would Go Up If Capital Gains Taxes Were Raised. "In addition, if the capital gains tax was increased, 48% [of likely voters] say their own taxes would go up. Just 24% are confident their personal taxes would not be higher." ("65% Oppose Increase In Capital Gains Tax," www.rasmussenreports.com, 4/25/08)

    Bloomberg's Amity Shlaes: Raising The Capital Gains Tax Rate Would Make The U.S. Economy "Less Competitive." "When the capital-gains rate is low, America feels like doing business. When the rate is high, the country turns its attention elsewhere. ... If a capital-gains rate increase alone, however, makes it into 2008 law, the U.S. economy will become less competitive compared with other economies at a crucial time. And if you don't mind me saying, that's a spread that can affect a lot of relationships." (Amity Shlaes, Op-Ed, "Wife-Swapping, Taxes And Spreads Are All Related," Bloomberg.com, 8/1/07)

    Obama's Plan To Lift The Cap On The Payroll Tax Would Hurt American Workers And Small Businesses:
    Obama: "The Best Idea I Think, Is To Raise The Cap On The Payroll Tax." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At A Campaign Event, New Albany, IN, 4/23/08)

    Gene Steuerle Of The Urban Institute Said Lifting The Cap Would Disproportionately Impact Small Businesses. "Gene Steuerle of the Urban Institute believes that an increase in the payroll tax cap would have a disproportionate impact on small businesses, because of the difficulty in differentiating between earnings from work and earnings from investment in their businesses." (Michael Tanner, "Keep The Cap," The Cato Institute, www.cato.org, 6/8/05)

    Michael Tanner Of The Cato Institute: "Small Businesses Would Be Particularly Hard Hit. In Fact, About One-Third Of The Workers Affected By Raising The Cap Would Be Small Business Owners." (Michael Tanner, "Keep The Cap," The Cato Institute, www.cato.org, 6/8/05)

    Eliminating The Earnings Cap Would Also Reduce The Take-Home Pay Of 10.3 Million Workers By An Average Of $5,650 And Raise Taxes On 4 Million Workers Over Age 50. "Earlier this year, the Heritage Foundation analyzed the effect of eliminating the earnings cap. The think tank found that in the first year alone, the take-home pay of 10.3 million workers would be reduced by an average $5,650. Taxes would be raised on 4 million workers over the age of 50." (Editorial, "Caps Off For Obama," Investor's Business Daily, 9/25/07)

    "The Self-Employed Would Be Subject To A Double Whammy, Since They Pay Both The Employee And Employer Portion Of The Payroll Tax." (Editorial, "Caps Off For Obama," Investor's Business Daily, 9/25/07)

    Obama's Income Tax Hike And Health Care Mandate Would Also Hurt America's Small Businesses:
    "The Clear Implication Is That Raising The U.S. Personal Income Tax Rates Would Also Stunt Small Business Entrepreneurship. Yet This Is Precisely What All Of The Democratic Presidential Candidates ... Propose." (Editorial, "Corporate Tax War," The Wall Street Journal, 12/4/07)

    At Least 55 Percent Of Small Businesses And Individual Entrepreneurs File Their Taxes As Individuals. "Small businesses and individual entrepreneurs are the driving force of rapid innovation and economic growth in this country. At least 55% of them file their taxes as individuals." (Editorial, "Caps Off For Obama," Investor's Business Daily, 9/25/07)

    Obama's Health Care Proposal Includes "A New Tax On Small Businesses That Don't Provide Health Care To Their Employees." "[Obama] is calling for the tax cuts pushed by President Bush to expire in 2010 for upper-income earners -- an effective tax hike for more than 1 million taxpayers -- and is proposing a new tax on small businesses that don't provide health care to their employees." (Rick Klein, "No Lip Service: Dems Trade Higher Taxes For Social Programs," ABCNews.com, 5/29/07)

    According To University Of Pennsylvania Professor Mark Pauly, "The Employer Mandate Is Really Using The Employer To Collect Taxes From The Workers..." (Sara Lubbes, "Perils And Pluses Of 'Play Or Pay' Insurance Mandates," CQ HealthBeat News, 9/18/07)
     
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    I dont get it????
     
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    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
    This is your "proof?"
    These are quotes from Maria Bartiromo and Larry Kudlow, a large collection of editorials, and two articles from the CATO Institute as well as the Heritage Foundation!

    By the way, your "proof" looks very similar to this:

    http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+...+Obama's+Ill-Timed+Tax+Increases/3665436.html

    Notice the part you omitted:

    In this particular case, your "hundreds" of sources are in reality only one.

    :laugh:
    [I still get those talking points!]

    Amazing....
     
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    Yep...hence the picture that ajg didn't get! :laugh:
     
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    As noted before, the willfully ignorant will ignore the truth.

    You have indeed shut your eyes, gone into full denial mode and made some pitiful efforts at comic relief to avoid the subject, proving once again that the truth doesn't matter to you.

    "Clinton's flier says she would provide middle class tax relief, "address Social Security without putting burdens on hard working families or seniors" and "strengthen Social Security and the economy by returning to balanced budgets."
    The mailer (Clinton's) says Obama has "a plan with a trillion dollar tax increase on America's hard working families. Lifting the cap on Social Security taxes to send more of Nevada families' hard-earned dollars to Washington."
     
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    :thumbs:

    Hope all is well with you and yours, MP,
    BiR (in downtown St. Louis)
     
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    Well after listening to his speech, I'm, going to vote for him. He promised to save the planet, end the war, end disease, end world wide poverty, and get good jobs for the unemployed.


    :laugh:


    Oh yeah, I'm kidding. His exact words were "shared prosperity". The only thing Obama wants to change is who's pocket my money will go into.......
     
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    And it's all gonna be free. :laugh:

    You kidding is noted.
     

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