Observations on the closed 'tongues' thread

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  1. Walguy

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    Did I call it, or what?
    With all due respect to Revolt, who I believe is a brother in Christ who happens to be caught up in a non-Biblical practice, if anyone thinks he hadn't already decided what his conclusion to the thread was going to be before he made the initial post, I've got a bridge in New York I can sell you.
    And if any of you need conclusive proof that 'tongues' speakers think with their emotions rather than their intellect on the subject of tongues, just read through that thread. Compare the tone of the posts on each side of the argument, and how the intellectual rebuttals to the pro-tongues position are rejected out of hand and then treated as if they were never posted at all.
    The truth is that the only argument Revolt might have accepted was a reference to a Bible verse that says, "Tongues will cease at 4:29pm on September 17, 83AD." Even then, I have a feeling he would have found some way around it.
    The Bible doesn't spell everything out that specifically. Often you have to work a little (or a LOT) to determine exactly what the Bible says about a given subject. The verses and passages about tongues all correlate and add up to a coherent doctrine about their existence, use and lifespan. The cessationist case has been clearly laid out in the two threads. The fact that these arguments aren't good enough for those who have already decided that they are going to keep speaking in 'tongues' regardless doesn't diminish the validity of our objective analysis of the Bible's teaching on the subject.
    Any comments are welcome, and at no point will I ask for this thread to be closed.
     
  2. Revolt

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    Did I call it, or what?
    With all due respect to Revolt, who I believe is a brother in Christ who happens to be caught up in a non-Biblical practice, if anyone thinks he hadn't already decided what his conclusion to the thread was going to be before he made the initial post, I've got a bridge in New York I can sell you.
    And if any of you need conclusive proof that 'tongues' speakers think with their emotions rather than their intellect on the subject of tongues, just read through that thread. Compare the tone of the posts on each side of the argument, and how the intellectual rebuttals to the pro-tongues position are rejected out of hand and then treated as if they were never posted at all.
    The truth is that the only argument Revolt might have accepted was a reference to a Bible verse that says, "Tongues will cease at 4:29pm on September 17, 83AD." Even then, I have a feeling he would have found some way around it.
    The Bible doesn't spell everything out that specifically. Often you have to work a little (or a LOT) to determine exactly what the Bible says about a given subject. The verses and passages about tongues all correlate and add up to a coherent doctrine about their existence, use and lifespan. The cessationist case has been clearly laid out in the two threads. The fact that these arguments aren't good enough for those who have already decided that they are going to keep speaking in 'tongues' regardless doesn't diminish the validity of our objective analysis of the Bible's teaching on the subject.
    Any comments are welcome, and at no point will I ask for this thread to be closed.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks for your observation [​IMG]

    Like I said before if you have a further response for me you can eaither send me a personal message or e-mail.

    Love in Christ Jesus
    Revolt
     
  3. Multimom

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    Actually I don't feel an emotional high from the practice of tongues and believe me when I tell you that I practice it freely and as often as the spirit gives me utterance.

    What I find is that I feel an even greater responsibility to my Lord to act in a manner worthy of the "calling with which you have been called." I do my best not to become emotional in this type of discussion as a loss of "self-control" diminishes us all.

    There are those who may be passionate about this, but there are those of us who take it so very seriously that we would not dare to try to pollute this very precious gift of God by allowing the fruit of "self-control" to be dispensed of for the very sake of the heat of the moment.

    I don't feel that I was all that emotional, but in the event that I was, please don't attribute it to the "emotional high" because for me, there is none.

    For me there is only the obligation to use the "talent" wisely (I am referring to the parable of the talents not that tongues is a talent).
     
  4. Briguy

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    MM, You said
    "Actually I don't feel an emotional high from the practice of tongues and believe me when I tell you that I practice it freely and as often as the spirit gives me utterance."

    MM, This is a big part of the whole problem with Tongues. I said this on another thread but will restate it for you. Spiritual gifts are for us to use when WE want. To say you use a spiritual gift only when the spirit gives utterance is not accurate in terms of the Bible and not logical if you really think about it. There is a spiritual gift called "helps". On an easy level lets just say this gift is a special ability and desire God gives a person to Help others in need. Would a person with this gift say to another that they would love to help them today but the spirit didn't give me the power. No, that would be silly right?. All the spiritual gifts are the same. They are given from God to us and our then ours to use when WE choose.

    Your use of tongues violates this basic truth. It also self-edifies which violates 1 Cor 12:7. Not to mention the fact that their should be someone of the language you are speaking in present. If there isn't then you break that truth as well. If no one interprets what you say then that would be a fourth violation.

    I hope this did not sound harsh as I know you are sincere. I appreciate the kindness of your last post, even when you disagree with Walguy.

    Take care MM,
    In Christ,
    Brian
     
  5. Revolt

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    you see there is this thing called being led by the spirit, but you wouldnt understand that since you dont speak his language :rolleyes:

    I know this could come off as arrogant but there is a difference between arrogance and confidence in the truth. [​IMG]

    [ June 25, 2002, 01:13 PM: Message edited by: Revolt ]
     
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    You know, I was pretty confident I had the truth once, too.

    Then someone showed me my mistake....
     
  7. Revolt

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    Hi don

    where have you been? [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  8. Briguy

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    Hi Revolt, I gave four ways that people like you and MM violate the Bible teaching of Tongues. What are your disagreements with my four violations. Just do one at a time if you like. If you have no argument against them then maybe there is something to them [​IMG]

    In Truth,
    Brian
     
  9. Revolt

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    Actually I am quite tired of this "debate" its a foolish argument that leads to nothing. Your arguments are presented as if all people who speak in tongues are not following the guidlines givin in 1 cor, wich isnt true, just because one group of people do things wrong doesnt mean everyone does. An exaple of this is the number of people who just assumed I was of the oneness theory just because other people who speak in tongues belive that. If you truly want to debate this then do it through e-mail or personal messages, not out here where everyone can gang up on a person.
     
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  11. Revolt

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    posted by revolt 3 hrs after topic started

    Thanks for your observation

    Like I said before if you have a further response for me you can eaither send me a personal message or e-mail.

    Love in Christ Jesus
    Revolt

    never had a change in heart

    Sorry but I never inteaded to get in an argument here. Second of all thanks for proving my point by ganging up.

    by the way I think its you guys who cant anser things honestly (refer to closed tongues topic)

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  12. Walguy

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    The Holy Spirit does not lead people in ways that are contrary to the teachings of the Bible, which the same Spirit inspired. The use of tongues as described by MM violates what the Bible teaches. Therefore, whatever may be 'leading' her (and you) is not the Spirit of God.
    I give all 'tongues' speakers the benefit of the doubt and assume that it is their own emotions that are leading them, rather than something outside of themselves but not of God. Because modern 'tongues' speaking is not Biblical, however, the possibility always exists that Satan would encourage and even energize this behavior. One of my biggest concerns about modern 'tongues' is that sincere believers are opening themselves to being influenced by the Devil. I would spare you guys that. If you want to dislike me for feeling that way, that's up to you.
     
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    Hey brother, brother Walguy, I too do not like to assume that the tongues that some do are automatically of Satan. I know that Satan has his hand in all thats not of God though so it is hard to figure out where the tongues are really coming from. We need to pray that God's truth will prevail in this issue and that our well meaning brothers and sisters will recognize what the Bible really teaches aout tongues.

    In Love and Truth,
    Brian
     
  14. Revolt

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    The Holy Spirit does not lead people in ways that are contrary to the teachings of the Bible, which the same Spirit inspired. The use of tongues as described by MM violates what the Bible teaches. Therefore, whatever may be 'leading' her (and you) is not the Spirit of God.
    I give all 'tongues' speakers the benefit of the doubt and assume that it is their own emotions that are leading them, rather than something outside of themselves but not of God. Because modern 'tongues' speaking is not Biblical, however, the possibility always exists that Satan would encourage and even energize this behavior. One of my biggest concerns about modern 'tongues' is that sincere believers are opening themselves to being influenced by the Devil. I would spare you guys that. If you want to dislike me for feeling that way, that's up to you.
    </font>[/QUOTE]:D :D LOL [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    :D [​IMG] lol [​IMG] :D
     
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    Brian, it's not hard to figure out where speaking in tongues comes from. Read Acts 2:2) And suddenly there came a sound from "HEAVEN" as of a rushing mighty wind, and "IT" filled all the house where they were sitting.

    As you know, this is talking about the 120 being filled with the baptism of the Holy Ghost, on the Day of Pentecost or when the Spirit of God was poured out for the first time, in the NT.

    Some would have a person to believe
    otherwise, but you can't change what the
    spriptures say. Believe me, the evidence is not
    of Satan! When some can't explain the things of
    God, why do they want to blame the devil? Think
    about it!
    The only thing that I can come up with is that they are scared or too contrary to change. ;)

    IMO, some ministers see the truth about "tongues" and if they admitted 'the truth' they would be in danger of losing their congregations. Just a little to think about. [​IMG]

    I don't want anything that I say to be taken as arguing. It's hard to express yourself on these 'puters.' I am really fond of you all, even DHK. [​IMG] Oh, yes Granny too.

    I just wish that you all didn't look at us as something 'evil.' We love God also. We just don't see Him as three persons.

    MEE
     
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    "I just wish that you all didn't look at us as something 'evil.' We love God also. We just don't see Him as three persons". (MEE)

    I don't think any of us look at y'all as something 'evil', but your view of God is unbiblical. Jesus saved me nearly 50yrs. ago, & not once have I ever thought of Him as a 3-headed god, or that there are 3 gods. Never once!

    There can be no salvation in a belief that is riddled with error. I've not ever read anything posted by any of you as to what you truly believe, because each of you say something different & completely misinterpret the real meaning of Acts 2:38.
     
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    Granny Gumbo:

    Which view are you talking about? There are 5 different beliefs concerning the trinity and if anyone denies them then get on line and look up the words Doctrine of TRinity and you will find this is true. There is also 3 different views from Oneness people. (though they deny this)

    No where in the Bible does it state that doctrine beliefs will cause anyone to miss Heaven.
     
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    Doctrine means a system of truth based upon the Word of God. The subtle teaching of the Oneness doctrine is dangerous. I have never seen such sophisticated arguments & twisted Bible interpretations to destroy the faith, as I have observed on this Board. When the true deity of Christ is obscured, the same thing happens to the truth about salvation.

    Instead of understanding the amazing grace of God, these people are taught they are not yet saved if they haven't spoken in tongues, or if they haven't been baptized 'correctly'. They corrupt the teaching upon the nature of God & upon the way of His salvation.
     

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