Odrama's Education Lie

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  1. Revmitchell

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    Last year, the president touted U.S. gains in education, saying that our "fourth- and eighth-graders achieved the highest math scores on record." He bragged that "African-American and Hispanic students posted all-time highs." Last week, the president said those eighth-graders weren't so great at math after all. He claimed they had "fallen to ninth place" in the world, and he bemoaned a high school dropout rate that had "tripled" over three decades.

    What a difference a year makes.

    Last year President Bush was talking up improvements that had occurred since his No Child Left Behind Act was implemented. This year President Obama is making a case for spending more on teachers' salaries, early education and more as part of his new agenda. We certainly wouldn't argue that education can't be improved, but some of the figures Obama used painted a bleaker picture than actually exists:

    * The high school dropout rate hasn't "tripled in the past 30 years," as Obama claimed. According to the Department of Education, it has actually declined by a third.

    * Eighth-grade math scores haven't "fallen" to ninth place compared with other countries. U.S. scores have climbed to that ranking from as low as 28th place in 1995.

    * Obama also set a goal "of having the highest proportion of college graduates in the world" by 2020. But in terms of bachelor's degrees, we're nearly there. The U.S. is already second only to Norway in the percentage of adults age 25 to 64 with a four-year degree, and trails by just 1 percentage point.

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    Another example of an inept, ill-equipped, inexperienced, and ill-informed president. How does he explain why so many people from other nations are coming to American colleges and universities if we are such an educational abyss? Spare me. :sleep:
     
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    It is typical that the experts are not those who are teaching but always have a better way. When I began teaching high school years ago I noticed that there were parents who would regularly complain and in a real sense bully the teachers. Eventually some of those teachers caved in and began teaching at a much lower level because they were tired of the complaints. Teachers that make their classes easy and give high grades seldom get complaints from American parents.

    The university is more removed from the parents and the faculty seldom hear the same complaints. I still hear many of the same complaints that I heard when I taught high school. Now it is from students rather than parents. What I do notice is that once the student realizes that I will not make the course easier he starts studying and gets some of the best grades he has ever gotten. It is often a life changing experience for some of them.

    The average amount of experience in the field among the faculty I teach with is about 20 years. Not many occupations alone can make that claim. The faculty I teach with are excellent and quite humble.

    I have spoken with some of the foreign students and it is amazing the price some have paid to come to this country to study while the Americans are complaining.
     
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    I haven't heard any complaints about the quality of education in our colleges and universities, the only complaints I hear is not having access because of the cost. I agree that American's haven't learned to suffer for a cause. I have seen foreigners live 15 to a single room (ok, exaggerated), work a full time job plus take a full class load.
     
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    Obama has no idea what he's doing, and he's a proven liar, over and over.
     
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    Judging from recent actions by the Democrat controlled Congress and a Democrat President, it is no surprise to me that Odrama can take a decline of one third and re-interpret it as a tripling of the dropout rate.
     
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    Yea we know.
     
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    How does your statement contribute to the discussion and edify anyone?
     
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    If one were to compare the number and quality of cars that students drive compared to years ago the difference would be glaring.
     
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    Is that to imply only affluent children make it to collage????
     
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    I see two things: 1)For many of them their priorities are misdirected. Rather than study hard they are busy working just so they can have their pickup or car. 2)Many of their parents pay their bills rather than have their children assume their own responsibilities.

    What we have noticed is that the students who work up to 20 hours per week typically do better than those who do not work at all. Those who do not work typically do not take any more hours than those who do not, and get lower grades. Those who work over 20 hours get lower grades than those who work some because they do not have enough time to study and are often tired.

    Generally the ladies get higher grades and are more focused than the men.

    It is mostly an issue of staying focused on the reason they are in college.
     

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