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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Aaron, May 26, 2016.
The grave, the second death, hell hades . . . it's all the same.
I think eschatology is the last thing we should be worrying about.
Whats the point of this thread?
The point of the thread is that the word sheol/hades is a word that can be used for the grave, the second death, or hell as we have been discussing it.
Not exactly, we see that the Second Death is only used in reference to that which, when identified as gehenna (rather than Hades), we see has a transition from Hades to the Lake of Fire. When men die today, like the Rich man, they into Hades and torment. At the Great White Throne, they will be raised physically and cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.
We know that Christ went into the "grave," but it makes little sense to view the Lord as suffering the Second Death to accomplish victory over death and sin. When He died on the Cross, He said "It is finished," which I take to mean...it was finished, lol.
In the Old Testament we do see Sheol translated many different ways, but keeping in mind the physical nature of the revelation of the Old Testament, and the limited teaching concerning resurrection (which when expanded by Paul is called mystery), I think it safe to say that our understanding of the difference between Hell and Hades should be built upon the revelation provided to us by Christ and the Apostles. The Old Testament taught a general resurrection of the dead, just and unjust alike, but did not speak of the Lake of Fire. It did not reveal such mysteries as the Rapture, or even give full revelation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Also called a mystery in numerous places.
And not preaching at you, your response was the shortest summation of what, by what you say, seems to be a general consensus among those here.
I agree with you and should retract my agreement with Aaron. Would be more accurate to say;
death, grave, hades, hell, second death
Don't you mean "the last things" we should be worrying about?
Good one. Took me a minute but finally got it.
All of which have distinct meanings as well as being used euphemistically on occasion.
Is the OP making hell a topic or using the word hell in some other way?
I find Aaron's wit and style entertaining just because of replies like this, lol.
"Here we are now, entertain us..."
(Kurt Cobain, died of self inflicted gunshot wound to the head)
Perhaps, but I did ask a valid question.
Back in the day, there was an Irish song, "If I knock the 'L' out of Kelly."
You can find the lyrics here.
I post the title because the "L" refers to a misspelling of a painted sign, not that of the place of torment.
However, the lyrics readily change the meaning of "L" which is why it is inappropriate for them to be posted on the BB. I link them for reference only, so that you may have better understanding of the issue I press on this thread.
As a youth I came to understand that too often the depraved tongue is just as unglued in the believer as unbeliever, and all believers must guard and place under lock that little member that no place is found or some excuse accepted to not control what is written or spoken to the best of their ability. I would consider the half brother of our Lord spoke to this issue in the letter that bears his name, James.
As stated on another thread, the habit, the addiction, and the tendency are all too often causing a stain upon the testimony of the believer. Either a believer works at this and gives no place and allows no freedom in the matter, or they have little real control over any area of their life.