[Administrator: This subject was moved from another forum at the moderator's request and edited in accordance with the policies on this board. Because the second part of the thread concerned radiocarbon dating, it has been moved to that thread here.] TULPJE The article is saying that they don't believe that life came out of nothing. They are saying that some sort of intelligent being is responsible for life, but they are not saying what or who that intelligent being is. In a public school system they can't introduce the bible in science class. It is not politically correct. Of course I KNOW who the "intelligent being" is. The Father of the Holy Trinity created life. I think that it gives credence to the biblical account even though they are not coming right out and saying it. ARROWMAN 1. The basis of ID (that there are biological systems which cannot be explained by currently known natural phenomena) is dubious at best; most of the assertions made by Behe, Wells and others have been refuted over and again in the (peer-reviewed scientific) literature. 2. The publication of assertions in books, as opposed to the peer-reviewed literature, gives ID no more credibility than the notions of Eric von Daniken. 3. ID is not science. Even if it were true that there are some biological systems which cannot be explained by currently known natural phenomena, ID then makes the completely unscientific assertion - "...and we will never know the explanation, therefore it must be an external intelligent agent". That is not science. Call it religion, call it philosophy - it ain't science. 4. For all their protestations, the IDers are promoting a religious idea. It's just very cleverly disguised under pseduo-science. 5. And just one nitpick - "In a public school system they can't introduce the bible in science class. It is not politically correct." "Politically correct" is not the point; this is not a policy promulgated by latter-day liberals. It is a basic tenet of your consitution and government. You might not like it, but there it is.