Ohio Supreme Courts Rejects GOP Early Voting Challenge

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  1. KenH

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    Ohio Supreme Courts Rejects GOP Early Voting Challenge

    By Steven Rosenfeld
    Posted on September 29, 2008

    The Ohio Supreme Court just issued a ruling that should help early voting efforts in this Midwestern battleground state -- including those by the Obama campaign.

    Last week, the Ohio Republican Party sued Ohio's Secretary of State, Jennifer Brunner, a Democrat, because she directed boards of election allow people who register to vote between Oct 1st and Oct 5th to then follow up and vote. The Republicans argued that new voters should wait 30 days before receiving a ballot.

    The suit was very important to Democrats, because they see this five-day early voting window as a way to register new voters and then have them vote for Obama. There are numerous planned efforts to bring thousands of voters to early voting centers starting Tuesday.

    The Ohio Supreme Court, which denied the Ohio GOP's request for a writ of mandamus, said:

    "We hold that respondent, secretary of state, correctly instructed boards of elections that an otherwise qualified citizen must be registered to vote for 30 days as of the date of the election at which the citizen offers to vote in order to be a qualified elector entitled to apply for and vote an absentee ballot at the election, and the citizen need not be registered for 30 days before applying for, receiving, or completing an absentee ballot for the election. Therefore, because relators cannot establish either a clear legal right to the requested extraordinary relief or a clear legal duty on the part of the secretary of state to provide it, we deny the writ."

    - www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/100780/
     
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    I fully support a cutoff time for registering in order to vote.
    In fact, I think there should be more safeguards. I often wonder how many people are registered in more than one State or Commonwealth?

    How many people registered who are not legally qualified tor vote, ie non-citizens, criminals, non-residents ect.


    The Board of elections needs time to verify ALL applications. Voting is a right, but with all rights come responsibilities. One responsibility is to be properly and legally registered

    Salty

    BTW, I oppose the so called "motor voter" registration.
     
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    This seems a bit odd. If the election starts with early voting, then you must be registered 30 days prior to the early voting. If the election doesn't start with early voting, then the votes shouldn't count.
     
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    Which is how the law reads in Ohio. You have to have time to verify state citizenship. As a Dem party pooba told me, Obama's campaign wants students to be able to register and vote in Ohio even if they have already absentee/early voted in their home state.

    Under this ruling, if applied to all 50 states, I could vote in four of them.
     
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    1. Election laws belong to the state. In this case, this is Ohio's laws.

    2. They are keeping these ballots separate and will verify validity before they count.

    3. The Dem's were smart and really caught the Republican's sleeping. The theory is if you are from a home state that the Democrats already has or that is so strong Republican that your democratic vote will be a waste, then legally you can register in your where you go to college so your vote might make a bigger difference. The Democrats might win Ohio if enough of the votes prove legitimate.

    This is one of the reasons I like Obama, he thinks out the box and will bring a fresh perspective to the nation. I mean, he could of suspended his campaign to win votes, or he could try to get more voters...
     
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    I am not sure a fresh perspective on how to commit voter fraud and gain illegal votes is exactly what we need, but at least it's change ... Oh wait, it's not change. That's been going on for years.

    It's too bad Obama doesn't have the character to stand up and say no.
     
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    If one simply has to register 30 days before an election, why are the Pubs having a hissy fit about this?
     
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    How many illegitimate votes will it take to make this a suspicious process ?
     
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    Are the Pubs already trying to lay down a case for recount if it is needed to keep McCain's hopes alive after November 4? Well, this time the governor and attorney general are Democrats unlike in Florida in 2000.
     
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    Ken, my friend, you have become hardly worth talking to, anymore.
     
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    The Ohio supreme court says it's legal what he's doing. Who are you to call it fraud? Are you now the law of the land?
     
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    So we are bringing up Florida 2000. The uneducated non-thinkers will say the Supreme Court gave the election to the Republicans. When all the Supreme Court did, was to tell Florida that it must follow the election rules that were in place at the time of the election. The SO would not allow the democrats to change the rules after the fact so that the ballots could be counted the way the dems wanted. Florida was forced to hold and count the election according to the law of the state at the time of election.
     
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    Actually, FL rules were to count the ballets by hand. The Dems in one county were doing just that. The other counties said there was no way to count all the ballots by hand by the deadline.

    I personally feel they should have been counted by hand. I think we should make every effort to count every registered American's vote. The repubs said they should have known how to work the ballot and that the puncture had go completely through the paper for the computer to pick it up. I would respect that decision if it wasn't so many ballots that were not punched all the way through.

    Bush won and I gave him my vote. We accepted it and moved on.
     
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    Wow, I thought the Dems were just getting college students to vote. They are sending buses to the homeless shelters.

    They are serious... http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122280937053991807.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
     
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    Not legally you couldn't.

    I have no problem with the ruling, the state has the time to verify the eligibility of the voters. But will they do it.

    I am all for letting every legal voter get their vote but if someone purposely tries to cheat, IE tries to vote in more than one state, there needs to be serious penalties and jail time. And if they were encouraged to do so by a political campaign leader, they need to be subject to some serious penalties as well.

    In our last mayors election here we had 85 dead people vote. (a substantial percentage of our voters here, there were less than 600 votes cast) The votes were eventually rejected and the candidate they had all voted for lost, but no one went to jail for it. Messing with an election should be a serious offense.
     
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    According to the story, people are registering to vote, and then immediately receiving a ballot. They are not registered 30 days before the election. It appears to be a number of hours if that.

    If the election is Nov (whatever), then 30 days is Oct whatever. You can't vote before them. But the way elections are being run now, the elections starts with early voting, which means that you have to be registered 30 days before the election starts, which means 30 days before early voting. You can't have it both ways. You can't set an election date for the point of early voting and then an election date for the point of registration.

    The election starts when the voting does.
     
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    Courts are wrong at times. I am calling it a fraud because, as I understand the law, it is. You have a law that says you must register 30 days before the election. Apparently these judges don't think that these votes are part of the election. But I imagine come November they will be counting them. But how? If they are part of the election, then the people weren't registered in time to vote. If they are not part of the election, then why do they count?

    I am not the law of the land, but I am able to think which apparently disqualifies me from being an Ohio Supreme Court justice.
     
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    Not according to the Ohio Supreme Court.

    The reason for the 30 day delay between registration and voting is supposedly so that the registration can be checked and any attempts at fraudulent voting intercepted. They still have those 30 days to investigate and throw out the ballet. The question is will they actually be checked?
     
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    Think about that though. If they are saying that the election does not start until Nov, when why are votes being cast? That makes no sense at all. You can't cast a vote for a non-existent election.

    But you check before the ballot is cast, not after. I think the Supreme Court is jerking with the law here.

    It wouldn't take me 30 days to throw out the ballet. I went The Nutcracker once. Horrible. But it made my girlfriend happy and that made me happy.
     
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    What happened was there were several recounts. Not just one count. But two recounts. That means the ballots were counted three times. Actually 2 and part of a third since the SC put an end to the Democrats trying to create votes claiming "every vote should count" and then all the while working behind the scene to disqualify the military votes. What they really mean is every Democratic fabricated vote should count.
     

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