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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by rbell, Jul 3, 2007.
Is it OK for a woman to baptize?
I can see only a narrow window where such could be permissable and that would be a woman baptizing another woman where a male pastor is unavailable.
Scripturally speaking, I can't even support that.
Why would it matter who performed the baptism? It is traditional that men are the baptizers. Is there chapter and verse that states that it must be that way?
I would imagine it would be an awfully complicated argument to suggest that only men can baptize. I believe anyone can baptize (well so long as they are redeemed) and enjoy seeing it happen with people who aren't ordained.
How do you scripturally support your argument?
Is it based on the fact that women baptizing is never mentioned, or is there another support Scripturally that I've missed?
I find where the charge was put upon men called of God.
Mat 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Where does that verse or any other specifically say "men"?
16: Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17: And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
I do not see any women who were commanded in this scripture.
Do you know of any scripture that says otherwise?
It seems to me He gave us a good example to follow.
Mat 3:11I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:
So the Great Commission only applies to men?
We are talking about baptizing now. Show me where women have that commandment and I will believe.
In conjunction with other scriptures that to my mind make baptism to be something for pastors/elders to do and in the absence of any scripture that I come up with in the seconds I have to answer, I'll have to agree with Brother Bob.
Since women are charged with the teaching of the younger women, there creates the possible exception I have mentioned (though I suppose a woman could similarly baptize a child).
If you want scriptures, you have to wait till tonight. I'm late for the day as it is.
(the best conversations always happen when I have to be elsewhere! )
or only to the Eleven?
17: And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
I find after the Holy Spirit came that women could teach or prophesy, which means to tell of what is to come according to scripture. I find not even here where He called them to preach or baptize.
The Great Commission that you refer to, I suppose you mean what Jesus commanded His Apostles and at that time it was the Apostles. The Apostles were the ones to teach others and as I quoted above later by the Holy Spirit being poured out on all flesh.
Can you show me where Jesus taught others what to preach or baptize?
Act 19:3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
None of them said Lucy's.
What Bro Bob appears to be saying is that only the 11 disciples can baptize, and since they are dead, no one else can baptize.
I am certain that if Lucy had been living back then, Luke would have written about her baptizing.
Well Saggy Woman; you need to read what I posted again. It says that Jesus taught His Apostles and commanded THEM to teach others.
I find where the charge was put upon men called of God.
Mat 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (TEACH)!
I was wondering SaggyWomen; Do you believe in women baptizing, and do you baptize or want to baptize?
Do you have scripture to support that he would of said "Lucy"s baptism"?
Can you give me scripture where Jesus commanded Lucy to baptize?
We use "lay" members to help an Elder or Pastor to baptize someone. I really have never saw a woman baptize but I guess they do.
Mat 18:18Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
If women want to baptize and your church says it is ok, then do what you feel is right and in line with scripture. Its not my word, but the word of the Lord.
Why does an elder have to do it? This sounds to be a rather Roman Catholic-like answer.
Does anyone have a problem with a "regular member" father baptizing his son or daughter?
I don't. This sounds awfully sacramental. I do think that the baptism should occur under the authority of the church, but if the church leadership has no problem with it, I see no biblical reason to restrict a church member from baptizing.
There is no scriptural mandate on who can baptize. If Scripture is silent on it, so should we. The GC was given to the 11 as...
A. Them individually
B. Them as a representative of the Church
C. Them as a representative of believers.
To use that as a proof text that only men can spread the Gospel and baptize is eisegesis, IMO.
Suppose two unsaved men get lost in the wilderness, have a Bible iwth them, read it and come to Christ Jesus in repentance and faith.
Would anyone have a problem with these two men baptizing each other?
What is important - form or substance?