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OK for a woman to baptize?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by rbell, Jul 3, 2007.

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  1. Brother Bob

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    You speak with arrogance. Jesus was our example and the Apostles. They met in homes in the 1st and 2nd century, to preach the word.

    If you are going to throw out what you don't like, what is the use discussing anything with you. If you are a Baptist, you are like one I have never known. I do not have a command to go into women's dorms, maybe you do.

    Lets see, you don't believe in ordaination, you say it is worthless, when Paul said to ordain elders in every city.

    You believe in women preachers, when scripture says for the women to be silent and not to teach. They are only allowed to help an authority, such as a man.

    You don't believe in the KJV, but you do believe in a later translation.

    What do you believe in? Anything. except yourself.

    You defy the word;

    Tts 1:5¶For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

    You speak blasphemy against the word of God.

    Jhn 6:63It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.

    Jhn 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    BBob,
     
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  2. Cutter

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    Amen! It may be time to shake your feet on this one.
    1 Corinthians 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
     
  3. Brother Bob

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    I think you might be right Cutter, thanks.

    BBob,
     
  4. tinytim

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    Ok, I haven't weighed in on this.... uh...hmmmm.... but here is my opinion...

    Since Baptism was given to the church, only the church has the authority to Baptize...

    The church can vote to allow anyone she wants to represent her in the waters of Baptism. Most of the time the ordained pastor or deacons automatically are chosen, but I have seen times that the church approves other people...

    For instance a member that leads a person to Christ.
    Or another member because the church was without a pastor.
    Or in my case, before I was called to preach, I was allowed to help baptize my oldest son.

    Now, since a church has this right, it also has the right to choose a woman to help. Just as a church has the right to choose a woman to pastor them... it is the church's right under the principle that a church is autonomous...
     
  5. Brother Bob

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    That is not for me!

    BBob,
     
  6. tinytim

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    That's fine Bob, that is why it is great to be a Baptist....
     
  7. EdSutton

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    Just thought I'd say congratulations on the resurrecting of a 10 mo. dead thread.

    Now we can all see it be 'baptized into death', since it has now hit 30 pages. :D

    Ed
     
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    The very nerve that one would give a listing of Scriptures among Baptists! :laugh: :laugh:

    Ed
     
  9. EdSutton

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    You shouldda' quoted Mk. 16:16, as well, for the context of Mk. 16:15, as that is a good "Baptist" verse. :D
    One can also make the argument that the Great Commission was only given to those actually present. That is true in one sense, but I think it completely overlooks the intention. BTW, I do not believe the church was yet in existence, at the time the Great Comission was actually given, but the repeating of this, essentially, in Acts 1 and following shows that this was the intention, IMO.

    BTW, to my knowledge, there is no Scripture anywhere that says "The preaching of the Gospel is just for the men."

    'Preaching' in the church assembly, to believers, does not necessarily equal "preaching the Gospel" and Scripture does mention these things.
    What exactly is prophesying? Is it not 'proclaiming' or 'preaching'? (FTR, I have heard many say that 'prophesying' is mainly "forthtelling", as opposed to "foretelling" in the NT. I do not entirely agree with this, but so far that hasn't stopped anyone from saying it, including on the BB.)

    And why in the contexts of these two passages, would one consider that somehow 'the man' was doing this 'publicly' and 'the women' were doing this 'privately'? This imposed distinction is 'eisegesis', not 'exegesis' of Scripture.

    Paul and his party were present in the first instance; Paul is giving instruction to the church, in the second. Neither of these two passages, in any way, impugn on the 'authority' question, of men as 'elders', at least as I see it.

    Ed
     
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  10. EdSutton

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    Exactly!

    The Gospel ain't the message of baptism, folks! It's definition is found in I Cor. 15!
    Ed
     
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    We fully agree, here, because that is what the Scripture says. Other Scriptures support this, as well. (Rom. 12:12-13; I Cor. 10:17; 12:12-13; etc.) The Lord Jesus Christ is not a many million bodied monstrosity, like a reverse "Hydra" of Greek mythology, which had many heads. The church in its local manifestation mirrors (or at least should mirror) the one 'true' Body of Christ.
    While there is, in a sense, the principle, Israel, as the church (, KJV, ASV; assembly - YLT, DARBY, NLT, NIV; or congregation - NKJV, NASB, HCSB) in the wilderness, there is no corresponding sense that this was composed of only believers and was at all, a part of the Body of Christ, which we are talking about, here. The OT saints, under all five of the dispensations and covenants which covered that time (Innocence - Edenic Covenant; Conscience - Adamic C.; Human Government or Patriarchal - Noahic C.; Promise - Abrahamic C., and Law - Mosaic or Sinaictic C.) were all saved by faith in God, based on the blood of the Lamb, that would be shed, just as we are saved by faith in God, based on the blood of the Lamb that has already been shed. (Rom. 4) But not one of them ever 'had the Holy Spirit', as you or I do, as an indwelling presence, nor did any have the gifts, earnest, or were baptized in the Holy Spirit, but were still "just as saved" as any of us are. Those were particulars and blessings reserved for the church, and the church, alone - the body of Christ.

    The two most righteous individuals who ever lived, namely Abel and Lot, the only two individuals called righteous or just three times each, in Scripture;
    the two who are said to ahve "walked with God", namely Enoch and Noah;
    Abraham
    , the friend of God;
    David, the man after God's own heart;
    Elijah
    , who was translated that he should not see death;
    even John the Baptist, the one of whom it was dsaid that there was not one greater born of women; not one of of them ever had anything close to what you and I have, today, except for eternal salvation.

    I wouldn't give what God gave undeserving me, for what any of them had! :thumbs:

    (Although the translation of Elijah and Enoch could be tempting, I admit.)

    How about you? Would you want to swap places with them? They sure would with you and me.

    Ed
     
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    Ezekiel 14:14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver [but] their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
    I do not agree with your statement that "Abel and Lot were the two most righteous individuals that ever lived."
     
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    Ya' might wanna' look a little further. :D
    None of these above are "American translations".
    Good question, I'd say.

    Ed
     
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    Does the 'Magnificat' of Mary, or the "Song of Miriam", or the pronouncements and "Song of Deborah" count as preaching or "written word"? They are all found in my Bible.

    Ed
     
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    Since the church has been given the authority to Baptize...

    And ...

    since the church is referred to as a lady in the NT....

    It stands to reason that a "woman' can Baptize...

    OK>. bad exegesis!! lol
     
  16. EdSutton

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    I'd say your disagreement is with Scripture, not me, for these two individuals, as I said, are the only two to be specifically called righteous or just three times. (Mt. 23:35; Heb. 11:4; II Pet. 2:7-9) There is one other reference, I believe to Abel, in this, but I do not have the time to go back and study it out, and cannot recall it off the top of my head. (Maybe someone else can help out here, on this verse.) You might also notice that Lot is the only individual in Scripture specifically named also as being among "the godly" (II Pet. 2:9) that I have found.

    I do not believe any other individual is ever referred to as "righteous" or "just" more than one time, except the Lord Jesus Christ, apart from Abel and Lot. I'd say God had a reason for this designation, wouldn't you?

    Ed
     
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    For both of you, where does Scripture ever say one has 'to yell', in order 'to preach'?

    Ed
     
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    Now that was funny! :thumbs:

    Ed
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  19. EdSutton

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    FTR, Paul was the one with the "shaved head", here, not Aquila.

    Ed
     
  20. EdSutton

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    The gent do got a point with Jo. 4:29.

    Ed
     
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