Okay - I'm ready to cancel the Red Cross period

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by TexasSky, Sep 7, 2005.

  1. TexasSky

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    The response to providing musical instruments to people has been wonderful, but we hit one snag. The Red Cross seems to be running this show totally, and they are the ones who decide what people want or need, and the woman who works with the Red Cross here decided all they need is food and a place to move to.

    So, I contacted some other major charities, like the North American Mission Board. I was told that the Red Cross is blocking their efforts as well.

    They want no volunteers and no help if it is not what they decide is appropriate.

    So - I'm now on an Anti-Red-Cross warpath.
     
  2. Rachel

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    Wow really? :(
     
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    TS, we are going through Ky Baptist Convention here for possibly putting together a group to go down, and maybe take soem supplies with us.
    You might want to check this site it's in your state.
    http://www.sbtexas.com/

    I go this list this morning from our local tv station who is collecting needed items, if we are able to go and collect stuff to take with us we'll use this list.
    On tv though where I first saw this (went to their site to get the full list) they had assorted sizes underware and socks listed also.

    Please bring ONLY the items in the list below.
    These are the items that are most needed at this time:

    Ready to eat food (non-perishable food that requires NO cooking:
    canned fruits and vegetables, canned meats-tuna, deviled ham, vienna sausage, spam, canned ham, canned chicken,
    boxed food items -
    crackers, cereal, breakfast foods, pasta, instant potatoes, etc.

    Water
    Bar Soap
    Shampoo
    Towels
    Wash Cloth
    Baby Wipes
    Toothbrush
    Toothpaste
    Paper Towels
    Brush or comb
    Feminine Hygienic products
    Baby powder
    Diapers
    Baby oil/cream
    Diaper rash ointment
    non-aerosol bug repellent
    Deodorant


    I am sure the things you want to get for them will be needed and appreciated, but right now probably they need the very basics for survival. Can you imagine not having soap, shampoo, FH products, diapers.
     
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    Oh, how about the Salvation Army?
     
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    I agree with the RC. Those people need life sustaining supplies right now. They also need volunteers with training in disaster relief. Our intentions may be good, but after 9/11, there was chaos with so many untrained volunteers standing around watching instead of being utilized properly.

    After the water, debris, and bodies have been cleared I'm sure they will allow other things and people to be involved.
     
  6. TexasSky

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    Webdog,

    No offense, but:

    1) I am not an untrained volunteer. In fact, frankly, I recently discovered I've had more training in this area that the person who told me no.
    2) To someone who truly loves making music, an instrument is as important as an arm or a leg. It is life sustaining to a true musician.
    3) Music is a tremendous stress reliever, and while some people prefer to run laps around a jogging track, for other people the only way to get that hurt and pain out is to pick up their instrument and play it.
     
  7. TexasSky

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    DonnaA,

    The Salvation Army came through, and in fact thanked me. Seems they already had some children complaining that they needed their instruments replaced.

    We are going to collect the instruments and give them to Salvation Army who in turn will get them to whoever wants them. If we have them left over, we'll hand them out to local schools.

    For the record. I did contact the NAMB. They wanted to help too, but the Red Cross told them to take a leap too.
     
  8. TexasSky

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    P.S. - Don't you just love the assumptions of people that if you are not registered with their agency you don't know anything about how to handle the problem?

    Oddly enough, I got my disaster training from the Red Cross.

    [ September 07, 2005, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: TexasSky ]
     
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    Feel free. But I'm not going to take my blood back, and I'm going to donate again in 2 months.

    I mean no offense here, but I sense that you're looking a gift horse in the mouth. No charity should be expected to be a "cure-all". If they're choosing to specialize where they feel they can be most effective, they are certainly welcome.

    I think you're being overly critical.
     
  10. TexasSky

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    Johnv,

    I'm not asking them to be a cure all.

    I am asking them to stop preventing other charities from doing what THEY do best. In our city they seem to have created some kind of prison for the survivors.

    The survivors can't get in or out without passes. People can't get in or out without passes. Donations are not welcome. They came on tv and chewed out a person for taking a survivor family home with them. They turned away the North American Mission Board, and they tried to turn away the Salvation Army. The attitude is very much, "These are our people."

    The Red Cross did an amazing job of getting them food, shelter and blood. That's wonderful.

    However, they are literally forbidding people to do more than that, and the people they are forbidding include professional charitable organizations.
     
  11. dh1948

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    The Alabama Baptist State Convention has trained disaster relief teams on site in Mobile, AL. Maybe in other places, too.

    Our local Baptist association's trained Disaster Relief Team has been mobilized, too. We leave the 13th for Mobile and will return on the 17th. We will be doing primarily clean-up and recovery.
     
  12. TexasSky

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    Dh,

    Praise God.

    Understand folks, I'm not mad at the whole National Red Cross. I'm mad at the local folks who are displaying an absolutely territorial behavior toward them.

    Today when I was ranting about it at home, a woman said, "I know just what you mean. I have been working there, and I have to smuggle suitcases into the area because the Red Cross says that suitcases are not essential. They want people to carry their things in trash bags."
     
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    I would think that it would be for the safety of the people to have to have passes to get in and out of the area.

    When we have tornadoes in Oklahoma, the areas are closed off and only homeowners can go in and out. I couldn't get to my daughter's home for two weeks after the worst tornado that ever hit Oklahoma. Even after the two weeks, when I went in I had to have identification. This was for everyone's protection. This was before 9/11.

    Actually, some organization has to be in charge.
    And they have to keep up with the people in their care.
     
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    We aren't in the area, Thankful. We're a good 14 hour drive from the area, and I understand a need for protection in the sense of checking identification.

    As to "getting in and out" though - understand. This is the main hanger and runway region of a US Air Base. These people leaving the shelter are not leaving the whole base. The people getting onto base are already screened.

    Basically, if you are in that shelter and you want to step out for fresh air, or to take a walk past 9:00, tough. You aren't allowed. If you are INSIDE and you want to talk to someone, you're asked not to because it is past time.

    Basically, these adults are being given a curfew with a 9:00 bedtime.
     
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    I think Christians should give to Christian relief organizations like Samaritans Purse and others.
     
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    If you want to help out, donate directly to churches of like-faith in the area affected. Then you are less likely to fund corrupt organizations like the American Red Cross.

    Our church is collecting for 4 churches in the affected area. The money is collected and sent (without administration fees) directly to the churches in need.

    In times of disaster, people should help churches and not random organizations that have been corrupted by greed.
     
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    Kubel,

    The only way for any group to get the aid to the victims in our city was to go through the Red Cross. The churches couldn't get past them either.

    HOWEVER - today - I heard from another source that the executive director of the Red Cross did not know that people were doing that, and he has told them to stop turning other people away.
     
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    I'm glad that the Red Cross is beginning to cooperate with you, Texas Sky.

    I would suggest that if one does not like the Red Cross, then do not give to them.

    I personally give through the SBC and our local church; however, it has been my experience that the Red Cross has been there very quickly when grass fires hit our area and our homes were threatened. When our town was hit by a tornado, they brought food every day to the citizens and the workers for several weeks.

    So let's appreciate the good work that they do against a lot of obstacles.
     
  20. TexasSky

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    Thankful,

    The Red Cross story has really had a rather interesting ending. The Executive Director contacted me. It seems that the person who was refusing assistance from other agencies in town did not have the authority to do so, and that they were doing exactly the opposite of what the Red Cross wanted done.

    The Red Cross preferred to coordinate efforts of everyone, and encourage everyone to do what they do best. They were surprised, and upset, to find out someone was telling people they were not wanted or needed.

    Now they are working with the churches and missions in the area.
     

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