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'Old'? Don't string me along.

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by BrianT, Feb 11, 2004.

  1. Johnv

    Johnv New Member

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    Being a "stauch KJBible folk" is perfectly fine, and as I've said before, I support your biblical and individual right to be so. However, the assertion that any one translation (be it the KJV, NIV, RSV, et al) has sole authority over any other translation for all English speaking people is not biblically supportable, and is completely unscriptural.
     
  2. GrannyGumbo

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    ...not biblically supportable...

    "It is to me. You take away my Bible's credibility & you destroy the very foundation of which my life was built on."
     
  3. BrianT

    BrianT New Member

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    The foundation your life is built on should be Christ (who is old), not any specific English translation of scripture (which really isn't old).
     
  4. mioque

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    robycop
    "Would the 'Mystery, Babylon' religion of Nimrod, Semiramis, and the Chaldeans be 'old time religion'? After all, it was already old when Christianity was new. "
    That one was made up from whole cloth by Alexander Hyslop in the 19th century. so that is a good example of New Age religion instead of Old Time Religion.

    BrianT
    This timeline thing is a very good way of putting things in perspective. [​IMG]
    Somehow I feel strangely sad when I look at it and notice that the first 14 centuries of Christian history look so uneventfull on that timeline. [​IMG]
    Old age creeping in I guess, personal (churchhistory) hobby horses getting in the way, or maybe a simple lack of [​IMG]

    QuickeningSpirit
    "How is it my stand on the KJB so offends yall?"
    My 1631 AV, translates the Old Testament noticably better than your 1611 AV (despite several notable revisions on your AV down the ages). :D

    GrannyGumbo
    "So because a few of us are staunch KJBible folks, we offend y'all???"
    Personally speaking, no! You will only ever offend me, if you were to cross the Atlantic and demand that my Dutch language IFB congregation adopts the KJB.

    "Yet, you're NOT offended about all the things that offend ME on the BB???"
    I take great pride in occasionally offending dr. Bob. He is a Calvinist baptist after all, he needs offending. :D

    In closing.
    "It would be nice if we could return to discussing the relative newness of 'old'."
    Anything that happens after Thomas a Kempis is often described as new churchhistory or even newest churchhistory when it takes place in the last 2 centuries.
     
  5. BrianT

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    I was just keeping it simple, putting on things more or less relative to KJV-onlyism. Those first 14 centuries are *rich* with interesting history, but I just wanted to keep things from getting too sidetracked. [​IMG] But maybe I *should* have put more on, to show how *much* of the REAL "old" there is that KJV-onlyism is simply at odds with.
     
  6. Precepts

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    Hey, I know somebody in Amsterdam, Bro. Danny Alford and wife Gail.

    Mioque, ever heard of them?

    They are both "older" than I am. Great Christians, you should look them up sometimes. You near Amsterdam?

    Here's their email, they are the only English speaking Baptist church in Amsterdam:
    [email protected]
     
  7. Johnv

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    I'm not taking away biblical credibility. Only the unbiblical notion that only one translation has said credibility. If you require version-onlyism as a basis for biblical credibility, I respectfully submit that your definition of biblical credibility is incorrect.
     
  8. Ed Edwards

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    I found out years ago
    that "the old songs" are those songs
    that were new 20 or 30 years ago.
    So with songs "old" ain't very old at all.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. BrianT

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    Ed, that's very true. Look at these dates for various "old time" hymns:

    Power in the Blood - 1899
    Old Rugged Cross - 1913
    Just As I Am, Without One Plea - 1834(words)/1849(music)
    What a Friend We Have in Jesus - 1855/1868
    Holy, Holy, Holy - 1826/1861
    To God Be The Glory - 1875
    How Great Thou Art - 1885 (trans. into English 1949)
    Great Is Thy Faithfulness - 1923
    It Is Well With My Soul - 1873/1876
    Since Jesus Came Into My Heart - 1914
    etc., etc., etc.

    All are only as "old" as the last 3% to 7% of church history.
     
  10. tinytim

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    Even "Lord, I lift your name on High"
    and "Shout to the Lord"

    Are getting "old" to me.
     
  11. mioque

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    Gloria in excelsis Deo.
    Now that's a real old time hymn!

    QuickeningSpirit
    "Hey, I know somebody in Amsterdam, Bro. Danny Alford and wife Gail.
    Mioque, ever heard of them?"
    No. Is their church mentioned on the following webpage?
    http://www.apologeticsindex.org/hcramst2.html
    "You near Amsterdam?"
    No I live in that part of the Netherlands that lies outside of Holland.
     
  12. aefting

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    I was at an old-time campmeeting-type Bible conference several years back. I will never forget them playing "Give me that Old-Time Religion" jazzed up on electric guitars. :D

    Andy
     
  13. Dan Todd

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    gb93433 said:
    The Amish do many things that seems like contradictions to us:

    1. They won't own a car or truck - but will ride in one.
    2. They won't own a phone - but will use mine.
    3. They won't own electic drills, saws, etc, - but will use mine.

    Each Amish church district is autonomous - they each have their own version of the ordnung - cells of Amish usually agree with each other - you do see a big difference between the Amish in Lancaster, Pa - vs - Ohio - vs - Indiana - vs - New York State.

    There are also different brands of Amish - Old Order - New Order - Beachy - etc.

    But the Amish also wonder about we English also:

    1. Why do we shower in the AM before we get dirty?
    2. Why do we go shopping when we have nothing in particular that we want to buy?

    Old Order people (Amish, Brethren, Mennonite, Hutterite) are interesting people - and make an interesting study. My experience is mainly with Old Order Amish - and for the most part the ones I have met and done business with are honest, hard working, friendly - yet secretive people.

    The Center for American Places - has a section on Anabaptist studies - and their books are fascinating - I have several.

    Anabaptist Studies

    Dan
     
  14. Precepts

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    Didn't see it, but I got tired of looking too. You could try and contact them, besides, all the ones on the webpage seemed to be on English translating, not English speaking churches.
     
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