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I am not in my twenties, and your antagonism toward my pointing out the irrelevancy of your question to this debate is very telling, too.

How old do I need to be to have a valid opinion?

Which one of the things that I cited do you consider opinion and not fact?

How many years of pastoring do I need under my belt before I can speak?

 

Islam is not the fastest growing religion in the U.S. That is something that I have heard other IFB folks parrot about and like many things they preach, it has no basis in reality.

How is this relevant? How do the facts I presented lead you to this conclusion???

What does this have to do with OUR CULTURE going to hell on YOUR generation's watch?

Yes, what it seems you purport these verses to mean is contrary to my and the BIBLE'S eschatology but that is another thread.

Let's say I am a steaming pile of maggot riddled garbage, like you seem to be trying to make me out to be. Let's say I am. What does that have to do with the FACTS that this culture went to hell, not on my generation's watch, but during the 60's and 70's?

You can't seem to stay on topic. You keep trying to take this discussion off track.

Once again, what does this have to do with the FACT that OUR culture, not China's, our culture, which is the SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD, went to hell on your watch?

I think, once again, you missed the point. AIDS is the result largely of gross immorality in a culture.

If malaria makes a comeback and wipes half of the AMerican population off the face of the earth, it is irrelevant to the FACT that this nation went to hell on your watch.

Stay on topic please.

Which is what your generation did in the 60s and 70s. It let the whole NATION just about go to hell.

 

Yes. It is extremely troubling.

 

Arbo, when you state that I am "only interested in argument for argument's sake," you are being antagonistic- plain and simple.

I am trying to point out to you that it would not matter if I were five years old- the facts are the facts. My perspective does not change them or alter them in any way.

But since you do seem sincerely interested in my perspective and where I am coming from I am happy to respond.

I am in my mid thirties. I have five children. I have been married for just under 13 years. I have been preaching for just under 18 years. I have been pastoring for 11 years. I have been in full time ministry for 13 years.

I grew up in fundamentalist movements. The Free Will Baptist Church in which I was saved was King James Only, preached against women wearing pants, going to the theater and going to the prom. I literally ended a relationship with a fine Christian young lady who I had been dating for a year over the fact that she wanted to go to the prom.

We were led to believe that Southern Gospel was godly and CCM was sinful. And the camp meetings we attended were all about "the old paths". Except that the people who preached at these meetings were so stupid that they would not know truly old if it bit them on the rear. They think of old in terms of their generation.

These types were rampant in the 60's and 70's.

The other type that was rampant was actual theological liberals (which is why the Conservative resurgence in the early 80's was necessary).

In the middle were a few good church and Christians and many others who were very man centered.

Very few before Falwel's Moral Majority engaged the culture. (And I am not necessarily a fan of the Moral Majority either.)

I contend that the LAST thing we need to do is go back to this dreadful period of time.

 

Augustine utterly OBLITERATED Pelagius.

Luther cut Erasmas into pieces.

There is a time for a velvet glove.

And there is a time for a sledge hammer.

And you might be shocked to learn that you actually catch more flies with vinegar than honey.

I have chickens so I have flies. I went to youtube a couple years ago and looked up a recipe for fly attractant for a fly trap.

The number one ingredient was vinegar. You mix a little sugar and vinegar together and put the solution in the bottom of a 2 litder bottle. I cut the top of the bottle off and turned it upside down and taped it back to the top (like a funnel taped to the bottle).

I have caught THOUSANDS of flies with vinegar.


And I have never pastored a church that did not either almost or more than double in size.

It is a myth that you have to pet everybody to win people. There are millions of people out there who are just waiting for somebody to come along and drop the bomb on this sissified shallow mess that characterizes our culture.

 

That is very interesting. Thanks, I will look into that.

 

I am not proffering anything. I cannot imagine a more inappropriate analogy to a Gospel preacher.

Yes. But you cannot show where the BIBLE says that preachers and prohets should never be harsh and demeaning. But I can show you plenty of examples where they were.

And the philosophy you want me to adopt exacerbates the problem. You don't pet cancer. You cut it out.

Mythbusters had an episode where they tested the bull in the china shop myth. They released a bunch of bulls in a makeshift china shop and those bulls ran all round it without breaking a single piece of china.

You can. And there is a time for that. And then there is a time for doing it the more common way you see it done in the Bible.

 

That's excellent.

Where do you get it?

 

So let me get this straight. You don't think it is a fact that prayer was taken out of school in 1963??

You don't think it is a fact that AIDS, a disease that is largely the result of immorality, became an epidemic in the 60's and 70's??

You don't think it is a fact the Roe v Wade passed in the 70's?

You don't think that "free love" and the hippy movement was one of the most ungodly and immoral uprisings in this nation's history?

You don't think it is a fact that they were having mass sex orgies on the White House lawn in the 60's??