This is a thread for me to get an idea of what you all think, more than a debate thread, so maybe I can gain better understanding. There are some very intelligent people on this board. I heard the position expressed lately that when the Lord saves us, the new nature is all that is inside our being, and that the old nature is completely gone. I have also heard the opinion expressed that the old and new nature exist side by side. If only the new nature is in us as Christians, how do we explain the following three areas: 1. Carnal Christians, if there is such a thing 2. Our continued sinning, even if it is not the desire of our hearts anymore 3. If the old nature is gone, what was Paul struggling with in Romans 7. No doubt this has been discussed before, as there is nothing new under the sun, but I would appreciate any responses.