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On Abortion...again.

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by auburnhale, Apr 2, 2008.

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  1. Hopeful

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    And I would still like an answer from auburnhale/jsn for this question I've asked him in two different threads:

     
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    Exactly........
     
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    Back...

    Long day at work when you get 5 hours of sleep for being irresponsible for staying up late posting on here! :BangHead: Anyways, I have seen that many have posted since I have went to bed last night. Wish I had time to respond to all, but I don't. I will answer the last question I saw last night, "how do you define life".

    Ever been to a funeral? There is a body that is laying in the coffin that is dead. The soul has departed, to one of two destinations. Is the body in the coffin human? Of coarse. I have seen many books in the Lifeway Christian bookstore talking about people who have died, went to heaven or hell, and then were revived. Do I believe that? Yeah. So how did they lose their life? Their heart quit beating and they had no control of their physical body. If someone is brain dead, they are essentially dead also. This is not a hypothosis, this is fact. Now, look at the growth of the baby from conception. http://www.pregnancy.org/pregnancy/fetaldevelopment1.php
    (If we are going to call abortion "murder" than the definition of murder has to be the same for that of us here)
    Yeah, God talks about "forming" but is there any proof that "LIFE" begins from conception from the bible? Furthermore, I believe that the conception of a baby I personally believe it begins somewhere around week 11.
     
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    Do you base this "week 11" on anything,or is it just a number that you've picked out of thin air?

    Just for the sake of argument, what if it begins about week 10 or 9. How can you be sure? You can't. Just picking some week number isn't good enough. I would want to be sure, absolutely sure. Everyone would agree that it is no earlier than conception. I'll just go with that.
     
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    At week 11, nearly all structures and organs are formed and beginning to function. This shows that the brain is functioning and the baby has had a heartbeat for weeks. At the least though, I know the baby is not alive before the heart has began to beat, which is week 5. I find the notion that human life existing at conception baseless.
     
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    At conception, there are human cells that are dividing to become various parts of the person. When there is not life, there is no cell division.
     
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    jsn, I mean auburnhale,

    Would you answer this question I posted earlier today?

     
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    Where did he go? :laugh:
     
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    Conception is not until week 11 but the heart begins beating at week 5?

    How's the heart begin beating before conception?
     
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  10. Hopeful

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    The conception of a baby begins well...just about 11 weeks before you suggest here, so perhaps you misposted?? SCIENCE would disagree with you on that issue.

    Now when LIFE begins was supposedly what you were talking about earlier. AND, if your argument is based on a DEAD corpse in a coffin NOT being "life" (although human), because their heart QUIT BEATING....then how is it that the baby at 5 weeks in utero is NOT alive by that same definition...because that's--as you conceded already-- when the heart begins to beat. How can you use the heart NOT beating to prove "no life" (in the corpse") and the heart BEATING to prove "no life" (in the baby in mommy's belly)??? I'm confused!!!:confused:
     
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    Once a fertilized egg divides, it cannot be argued that it is not alive. A fertilized egg may or may not be, as not all fertilized eggs do begin to develop (a "dud"). The egg begins to develop before it ever enters the womb.

    Abortion is ending that life. Is that egg human? Well, it ain't a dog or a cat. Is it alive? Yes, the cells have begun to divide and grow... it has life. So, if the fertilized egg is human, and it is alive, killing it would be murder.

    What chills me to the bone is how people who claim the name of Christ can have no problem with abortion. It completely boggles my mind... and breaks my heart.

    Oh, and for the record, auburnhale, my sister graduated Auburd with her PhD and taught during the years she was there, but that was 94-98. Ask around and see if anyone remembers Lenda Trotter... she was the huge Tennessee Vols fan.
     
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    Better watch the phrase 'claim the name of Christ,' Trotter. Every time I use that phrase, I am accused of questioning people's salvation. :wavey:
     
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  13. Hopeful

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    auburnhale,

    This is what a developing baby looks like at SEVEN weeks inside the womb:

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    That's four weeks earlier than you think life begins??? How can you look at that image and not believe that baby is ALIVE...is LIFE....is a gift from God to be cherished??

    By Week NINE, the baby has begun MOVEMENT--is that not another one of your definitions of LIFE???

    This just hurts to discuss. :tear:
     
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    Troll Alert!

    Hey ya'll I really smell a troll. This guy takes 2 quick posts and runs. You are never going to be able to influence him. There comes a time when we should know when to keep our pearls to ourselves. Just trying to save you some headaches. :BangHead:

    Blessings to all the faithful;

    Mel
     
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    Not questioning anyone's salvation. It's sort of like when Monica's ex-boyfriend said he was a Baptist... makes me cringe and wonder if I REALLY want to be associated with it.

    Christian can still sin... but it still doesn't make it right.
     
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    Know what ya mean.
     
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  17. Hopeful

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    Yeah, I got no answers to my serious questions on TWO threads about the same thing. And he has time to pose all these questions, but no time to answer when asked back.

    And I fail to see how ANYONE can justify saying that something is not alive until SIX WEEKS AFTER the heart starts beating....when they've already used the argument that a heart STOPPING beating proves "no life" in the corpse they keep referring to. And now my head REALLY hurts from all this...:BangHead:
     
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    I agree with the growth but I don't believe that constitutes life.

    LOL. How ironic. My wife graduated last December from Auburn and she is a huge Vols fan too! Crazy.
     
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    A person can grow without being alive! That is quite amazing! From whence does such profound logic and/or "scientism" come from?
     
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