Once Considered Unthinkable, U.S. Sales Tax Gets Fresh Look

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  1. Ps104_33

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    With budget deficits soaring and President Obama pushing a trillion-dollar-plus expansion of health coverage, some Washington policymakers are taking a fresh look at a money-making idea long considered politically taboo: a national sales tax.

    Common around the world, including in Europe, such a tax -- called a value-added tax, or VAT -- has not been seriously considered in the United States. But advocates say few other options can generate the kind of money the nation will need to avert fiscal calamity.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/26/AR2009052602909_pf.html


    Before all of you VAT proponents start getting all excited, this will be on top on the Federal income tax. We must nip this one in the bud folks. Write or call your reps and tell them, "Dont even go there".
     
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    In Europe it is called value added tax. At ever step in from manufacturing to retail sale there is a value added tax.

    Would this replace our impossibly complex income tax?
     
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    Obama's socialist agenda requires revenue from the poor and middle class.

    This is one way to get.

    Another is phony science, like global warming, and the taxes to support the government intervention to prevent it. Poor people use electricity and drive cars, too.
     
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    Now if they could just find a way to apply this tax to all the ????? who voted this Fascist into office I would still be against it. The housing and auto markets will really tank. But I guess we deserve what people voted for.
     
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    Obama can't institute a national sales tax. It would have to come from congress. You are giving him more power than the people who voted him into office. We understood we were making him president and not dictator.
     
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    And at every step the cost of the tax is passed on to the next guy until it lands on the end consumer.

    I wouldn't count on it. The goal would be to INCREASE taxes not replace some other tax.

    Besides the income tax system is complicated by design - as a form of social engineering. Little tax rules are written in order to influence peoples' behavior through rewards and punishment to suit the government. They will never willingly give up that power.
     
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    I think obama is the one who doesn't understand that
     
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    Were you really so blind? Have you awakened yet or are you like so many still:sleep::sleep::sleep:?
     
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    If the 16th amendment were repealed and a national sales tax replaced the income tax I would be in favor of that. If enough states got together and requested a limited Constitutional Convention perhaps we could get rid of the 16th and 17th amendments.
     
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    Who would a national sales tax harm the most? The family that requires 90% of two incomes to pay for basic necessities or the family who can't spend more than 5% of one person's income even if it tries real hard to waste its money?
     
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    as long as a VAT completely replaced our train wreck known as a tax code...I'd be all for it. However, if it (as some have intimated) was an additional form of revenue, then there should be an absolute, 1776 revolt in this country.

    Me too.

    Unfortunately, I think that one of the following would happen:
    1. The democrats (and a few republicans) would strong-arm this legislation and prevent it from coming to a vote. Special interest groups would rule the day.
    2. Should it make it to a congressional vote...Obama would pull a stunt to squash it. He couldn't afford to lose that much power over his serfs...er, constituents.
    3. Should it make it further, the US Supreme court would find a way to knock it down (this, of course, after the first lawsuit would be filed in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals...the epicenter of Anti-God, anti-individual, fascist thought). The court might let it ride, right now...but we're probably only one justice away from that being different.

    Given the level of dissatisfaction right now in our country with how our gubmint wastes our money, there is likely a pretty good groundswell for a VAT, FairTax, etc.
     
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    Not a Value Atted Tax because the tax is hidden. No one knows how much they are paying. The Fair Tax or national sales tax paid at the time of purchase is the only way to go.
     
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    There would have to be a revolt. The people could not afford such a tax hike.
     
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    If two thirds of the states support a Constitutional Convention I think it is mandatory.
     

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