Originally Posted by Heavenly Pilgrim HP: That is pure conjecture without the least bit of reasonable support. There is simply no end to the desperate attempts to support ones presupposition of OSAS. HP: Here was the point you made. HP: You have said or produced nothing that shows that the verse in 1Thess 5:19 speaking of ‘quenching the Spirit’ has “nothing to do with salvation” as you claim. You simple are starting from the unsupported presupposition of OSAS and reasoning in a circle, assuming without proof that your presupposition is correct. Again you simply cannot have the text speaking of salvation, not do to any evidence in the passage itself, but rather because to do so would do damage to your presupposition of OSAS.