One Bible Only?

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    I just read an interesting book called, "One Bible Only," General Editors Roy E. Beacham and Kevin T. Bauder. Has anyone else read this? Just want to know what you think about it if you have.

    Jason :D
     
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    Could one of you give a brief synopsis of the book for us?
     
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    Sorry. "Examining exclusive claims for the King James Bible" from a fundamental non-KJVO perspective.

    Jason :D
     
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    D. A. Waite wrote a book that is an answer to "One Bible Only?". You can find it here .

    I don´t recommend this book, I just thought about it when I read your post.

    Be blessed.

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    I know Bob Milliman personally. He is a good friend and mentor. His excellent chapter is part of an overall good book on the topic.

    Chick
     
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    I know Dr. D.A. Waite from the conference at my bible college. I recommend this scholar to you concerning any books that he wrote. His books are excellent. Thanks. [​IMG]
     
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    I know about Dr. Waite but never read a book written by him. I can´t recommend something I don´t know. :cool:
     
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    if it's this same D.A. Waite, i wldn't recommend his stuff until there's a higher standard of scholarship. following is a review of one of his works:

    http://www.post1.com/home/amarillo/revDKJB.htm
     
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    if it's this same D.A. Waite, i wldn't recommend his stuff until there's a higher standard of scholarship. following is a review of one of his works:

    http://www.post1.com/home/amarillo/revDKJB.htm
    </font>[/QUOTE]This website negated D.A. Waite because this website is a naturalistic critic. D.A. Waite is a consistently Christian scholar. You know there are many naturalistic scholars such as Dr. Bruce Metzger and many consistently Christian scholars such as Dr. Thomas Strouse. Between them they disagree each other on the subject about the KJV. I disagree with Bruce Metzger because he is an unbeliever.
     
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    By what means did you come across this information? Did you all of hte sudden get access to the Book of Life?? I don't know the man; I assume you don't either. So I am not sure who appointed you to make these sorts of decrees.

    DA Waite has been shown to have a number of flaws in his facts, his method, and his argumentation. Anything by Waite should be used only to stabilize the wobbly table.
     
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    By what means did you come across this information? Did you all of hte sudden get access to the Book of Life?? I don't know the man; I assume you don't either. So I am not sure who appointed you to make these sorts of decrees.</font>[/QUOTE]I read what Dr Bruce Metzger wrote. It is very obvious that he is an UNbeliever because he did NOT believe in what the Bible actually said. Let me give you a website about Dr Bruce Metzger:
    http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/ubstrans.htm
     
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    David Cloud and Way of Life are probably not the place you want to getting information about other peoples salvation status!
     
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    Then you shouldn't have any trouble giving us some of these statements so that we can read them. David Cloud is not a reputable source. I have had personal correspondence with him and have seen the correspondence of others with him. He has made directly false statements and has refused to correct them. HE often speaks before knowing teh full story, saying things that are untrue and then later have to correct them (only halfheartedly). He is a poor researcher on this issue.
     
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    Let me ask you a question:
    Has Moses ever placed a foot on the Promised Land???
     
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    Then you shouldn't have any trouble giving us some of these statements so that we can read them. David Cloud is not a reputable source. I have had personal correspondence with him and have seen the correspondence of others with him. He has made directly false statements and has refused to correct them. HE often speaks before knowing teh full story, saying things that are untrue and then later have to correct them (only halfheartedly). He is a poor researcher on this issue. </font>[/QUOTE]Did David Cloud make false statements? Please provide me this info., please! I would like to read his reports.
     
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    David Cloud really frustrates me because about 90% of his work seems to be guilt by association. This music is bad because it is produced by this group who is a send off from this group that is owned by this company that publishes porn, or something like that. Well, that is an exageration. But anyway, I am willing to listen to him but I wish he would directly condemn things instead of just associate. Like, "this guy speaks at the National Council of Churches which is apostate" means nothing to me, because I don't know why National Council of Churches is apostate, what they believe, why he spoke there, or anything. Indeed, maybe he spoke there to save some of them! All music is bad because some music has satanic lyircs or is sung by satanists is about as valid as Way of Life literature is of the devil because it is on the internet and MOST internet is pornography.

    But anyway, Metzger is very liberal and we shouldn't be trying to deny that. Whether or not he is a believer is something else. Last time I checked, "if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Nothing in there about who you believe wrote Genesis.
     
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    He called an avowed fundamentalist a new evangelical because he went to a conference for the express purpose of refuting new evangelicalism. When confronted by this individual, Cloud admitted that he had been out of the country and had not properly researched this. He made only a half-hearted apology.

    He accused an extremely conservative fundamental church hosting the FBF national meeting of being weak because they sometimes use the NASB, and only sometimes. I have copies of the correspondence between Cloud and this man. This man continued throughout the correspondence to make accusations that were untrue, and that were refuted by the accused. Cloud simply chose to publish uncorroborated reports from a man who lied and then refused to be corrected by the man who was lied about. A reference to this exchange is in a current article found on the daily listings portion of his website. He again makes a false statement, asserting that this man uses the NASB as teh standard Bible in his pulpit. Unless he has changed in the last couple of months, that is not the case. HE could verify that with a simple phone call or email to this church.

    He recently published an article about a BBC program on the virgin birth that was contradicted by the BBC itself in an unrelated article, showing a simple failure to do adequate and respectable research.

    His recent article on the NKJV is filled with nonsense that shows a problem. He accuses some of these men of favoring the majority text in bold print and then several paragraphs later admits that none of these readings made their way in the NKJV translation. He blasts the marginal notes that give alternate readings while failign to be honest enough to say that the 1611 contained the same type of alternate readings.

    In a more recent article, he accused a Detroit Seminary professor of saying that those who believe there are no errors in the Bibles are heretics. In fact, if you read Cloud's own article, that is not what the professor said. The professor, incidentally, was absolutely right and showed Cloud to be wrong. I personally wrote Cloud to inquire as to why his misrepresented the statement of this man.

    He is demonstrably wrong on the Bible version issue, and on its connection to fundamentalism. He falsely equates his position with that of fundamentalism when it certianly was not.

    These are but a few of many cases where Cloud has been shown to be wrong. More could be cited. He has been confronted about numerous times by those whom he has attacked, yet has refused to be a man of honesty and integrity in this area. Much of what he says is very true, and right on target. I agree with a great deal of it. Perhaps even most of it. But he has sprinkled in enough lies and misrepresentations, distortion of fact and argument to damage his credibility. He has refused to make right his misstatements. He is intent on dividing the people of God over non-essentials where true fundamentalists are willing to divide over the essentials.

    He has done many good things in his ministry, including his missions work in Nepal. I wish that he would focus on the things he does best, and leave this kind of stuff alone. He is simply not a credible source.
     
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    WELL SAID PASTOR LARRY!
     
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    For good reason, he is correct. I included with FBF until I saw its fall.
     

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