One mistake Bush should admit...

Diplomacy is not a one way street. Diplomacy needs a willing partner. A truely willing partner. Not one just mouthing the words. Take Arafat for example. To hear him talk he's all for diplomacy. And he is as long as it doesn't obligate him to it. Saddam was the same way.

 

I won't vote for the Bush/Cheney war machine. In addition, Bush talks a good game but it ain't necessarily so. He has actually increased funding for abortions in his four years while calling himself "pro-life." Actually, he doesn't seem to care about the lives lost in a war which we got into for no reason other than he wanted to. Something like 15,000 Iraqi non-combatents have been killed. All human life, not just the unborn, is precious. Then he made the statement that Christians ans Muslims worship the same god!

 

I will not vote for either Bush or Kerry!

 

27,300 references on Google won't convince you. You're telling me they're all bogus? Wow. That's pretty incredible. Guess you didn't bother to look at any of the links. Unless the Texas Observer, Time, Wall Street Journal, Judical Watch, and others are not credible either. Pretty astounding the effects of that Bush Kool-Aid! I should know, I used to imbibe it, too. It's really hard to kick the habit.

From the Texas Observer:

http://www.texasobserver.org/showArticle.asp?ArticleID=480

Don't bother to read it. It might make you raise an eyebrow. Maybe both of them, LOL.

All it did for me was give me goosebumps and make the hair on the nape of my neck stand up!

That was before I started crying endlessly for days that MY President had duped us all. I was even tempted to tear up my letter from the White House on that nice letterhead that just says White House (no Washington, DC underneath - no need to). Instead, I decided to make a scrap book. It may be worth something to my posterity one day, it - along with my Senator Al Gore letters, etc.

At any rate, eventually I did quit crying my heart out and quit feeling stupid for being duped by a politician using the "born-again" Christian angle. The reality and gravity of truth did take days to sink in, though, cause it was all so utterly incredible the more I dug and sniffed around on the Internet. I am rather amazed that the media hasn't dragged all this out during this election. But I also have come to realize that we Americans live under the delusion that we have a free press. A lot goes on that we never hear about or see in the major media. Like flag draped coffins being flown home from Iraq. There are black outs in the press by powers that be. And there are back room deals that you and I never hear about. Or will never hear about. There are some things that are suppressed from the electorate and even more would be suppressed if it weren't for the Internet. We hear what they pablum feed us in the major media. And we fall for their carefully crafted diversions. Like who did what 30 some years ago, etc.,

Alas, I digress.

Eventually the Bush Kool-Aid wore off. Eventually I began remembering that Jesus said in the last days even the "elect" will be deceived. I can see how it can happen so easily.

 

As they say, denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Go figure...

You don't seem very amused. You seem kinda frustrated and hostile.

Maybe it's time to do a little looking around, and see what's out there the demopublicans don't want you to see.

 

"Let us never negotiate from fear, but let us never fear to negotiate."
JFK

The real JFK from Mass.
The first JFK from Mass.
The one we really miss anyway. If there ever was a clear and present danger it was October of 1962. No war. The missles are gone. Castro is still there but who cares (except the people rotting in Cuban prisons)?

 

[/qb][/QUOTE]That would certainly make you happy though to put a communist like Kerry in charge of our country who says he would subject our country to a global test before we use a military option. Let's see. Who do you think will be calling the shots for America then? France, Germany, Russia, and the UN? Good job, Jim. Put a war criminal who betrayed his own service men and country by branding them as war criminals while they were being tortured in Hanoi. Aren't you proud of yourself?


Oh Dear Lord please save us from this absolute garbage. Kerry a Communist? For goodness sake man the guy is married into a Capitalist Dreamworld.
You intentionally have misrepresented Kerry's remarks about every subject you bring up. He never branded our POWs as war criminals, never! Why don't you stop listening to all that ultra right wing propaganda and get your facts straight?By Global Test, Kerry does notmean getting some other nation's permission to act or to surrender our soveriegnty. He has made that so perfectly clear but you American Fascists continue to spread the lies.

No surprise. Bush is himself a liar, and liars will like him and support him, particularly if he is telling lies they actually want to believe.

 

I haven't heard that one before. I would really like some evidence of that, Joseph. Can you provide it? </font>[/QUOTE]He may be thinking of Ronald Reagan, who despite his administration's many shortcomings was, IMO, the best President in my lifetime.

He's right, though, that Kerry wouold be a terrible president. At least Bush would not be there to implement the Kerry/Clinton agenda with the support of the GOP congress.

 

Ken beat it. But you are right, most can't.

 

But your description fits BOTH Bush and Kerry.

 

The issue is Bush versus Kerry not Michael Moore versus the anti-Kerry propaganda. Bush lied about the necessity of putting American troops in harms way. First WMD and then a connection to 9/11. Both proved to be untrue and I think Bush knew it at the time. His cronies Cheney, Rumsfield and Wolfowitz simply wanted to invade Iraq (for no reason other than it was a strategic location and contained a huge pool of oil). 1100 American soldiers have died as a resullt of theit little experiment as well as 15,000 Iraqi non-combatents and an unknown nunmber of Iraqi troops. Bush says that he is a Christian but murders these troops and innocents for no good reason.

 

Bush DID NOT lie. Bush was mistaken. There's a difference. The mistake is the result of faulty intelligence.

Yes, I do think that he should make a statement that it was a mistake, but I also think that the other side should stop saying he lied. It goes both ways.

OTOH, who was at "fault"? We had Saddam Hussein jumping up and down saying "I've got WMD's, I'm gonna use 'em". I for one don't have a problem with liberating Iraq. I do, however, have a hindsight problem with the reasons we went in.

BTW, what I'm incredibly curious about is why so little is said about Afghanistan. We went in, liberated them, and now they're voting for elected officials. Everyone point the finger at GW for Iraq, but no one wants to give him credit for Afghanistan.

 

Okay, John, great. I give Bush credit for Afghanistan for getting rid of the taliban and now they are holding elections. But I also give him credit for allowing bin Laden and others to escape via the unguarded Iranian border and for not destroying the poppy crops which have actually increased 40% since the fall of the taliban. So the Bottom Line is: Bush gets credit for getting rid of the taliban. Bush gets credit so now the gas and oil pipelines can be run through Afghanistan from the Caspian Sea (the plan all along). And Bush gets credit for increasing the world's poppy production 40% - which now has a direct pipeline to Europe and other parts of the planet via Iraq.

Only giving credit where credit is due. Now we can all applaud.

 

Skandelon - so you are saying Michael Moore made up everything and because Michael Moore made a movie, everything in the Wall Street Journal, Time, and other links on google are false? You deny there was ever any connection between the Bush family and bin Laden family? Well, that is quite incredible. Enjoy the Kool-Aid.

 

Republicans and their (minority) media voices are going to ignore it, most naturally, with an incumbent President hoping for re-election. Besides, it surely is so incredible that some will refuse to investigate it and just chalk it up to a conspiracy theory lunacy. Not everyone has an inquiring mind. People, like water, tend to follow the easiest course.

Michael Moore is a poster boy for the left and nearly the whole world has watched his take on it with his movie/video/worldwide distribution (which I have not seen), and therefore, it is old news for them, fodder for our enemies, and since Michael Moore has touched it, none of it can be true, of course, according to the mindset that all liberals are going to hell.

The truth is in the middle minus the Republican covering up/denial and the Democratic liberal hype. The maps from the US Dept. of Energy for proposed gas and oil pipelines from the Caspian Sea area are not products of Kerry Kool-Aid. They have been in place for several years, through both Republican and Democratic administrations. The plans for invasion of Iraq have been in place by the neo-cons for several years, by their own admission. Wall Street Journal's concern over Bush the elder being on the Board of Carlyle as a conflict of interest when his son is President of the US and Carlyle affiliates having Dept. of Defense contracts, is not Kerry Kool-Aid. Judicial Watch is a conservative organization, hated by the left because they tried to get Clintons on the White Water issues. And there are many more links besides the Michael Moore links. Not all of them are "liberal" or Kerry Kool-Aid links.

What I have found very interesting, although quite disturbing, is the reaction of so-called conservatives about this election. Things that conservatives have griped about with this president are now brushed under the rug, ignored, or justified out of fear of the possible alternative in the Oval Office. Even among the well-known leaders of Evangelical Christians. (So much for Daring to be a Daniel, as the song goes.)

What everyone seems to forget in the hype of all of this election is that God is in full control. This world will go on and it will end according to God's time table, not who wins this election. That is why I voted standing on principles alone. Not on fear of possible outcomes.

No, Skan, I wasn't duped when I was crying. I had my eyes opened to the "spiritual wickedness in high places" that is going on right under our Baptist noses.