I'd like to hear from anyone here who actually is an Open Theist... (hears crickets chirping)... well okay, anyone who's studied them more than passively. Here's my view. Open Theism purports to be better reasoned and more accurate than Arminianism and Calvinism. On some things, it is, I belive, which is why sometimes I study it to understand certain passages. However, in many cases, it is just as inaccurate, if not worse. Whilst Calvinism and Arminianism both are based on long held doctrines and scriptures that really do exist (though I might argue are missinterpreted) Open Thiesm has many doctrines that I'm pretty sure, have no basis at all in scripture. For instance, correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Open Thiests say, God cannot know the future? Do they not also say He is Omniscient? This is a contradiction. Either He is or is not Omniscient, don't claim both for the sake of popularity. Also, where is this idea that God cannot know the future? I see no passage that says this. In fact, time and time again God tells the future, even events that He does not say He is the immediate cause of. It is a challenge issued from God in the Bible, several times, for idols to predict the future accurately. It is an ability God HAS and prides Himself on. I myself do not believe God knows all futures, but certainly some, because He predicts them outright (save discussion of my specific beliefs for the "The big one" thread please unless it actually partains). Some say God self imposes a limit to keep from interfering with human chioce. This fails even in theory. First off, God knowing the future does not mean man doesn't have a say, just that what will be will be. Also, why would a loving God, self impose limits to the detriment of His beloved creation? He doesn't want to be surprised. Supposing at any time He ever did (seems silly, but supposing), I'm sure He got sick of the surprises He actually got long ago because they weren't good. Open Thiesm presents a RADICALLY different view of God than tradition. This should be acknowledged. It is not by Open Thiests. They try to claim that it is simply a different view of the same theories, just differing from Calvinism/Arminianism. It changes more than that. I am accusing Open Thiests of the following: Deliberate ignorance of scripture, being two faced to be more popular, lying about how close their ideas are to others and having a theory that is down right, poorly thought through.