Opinion of Thur the Bible Radio program...

Amazingly not a single dissenting opinion of Dr. McGee, and I love his teaching and manner too. His ministry still seems to be going on strong in his absence.

 

My wife LOVES Magee and lsitens ti him all the time .I like him too .....I haven ;t heard Greene in many yaers .Our stations don;t carry his old programs anymore .

 

Don't know if it's well know or not but Dr. J. Vernon McGee did not believe there is literal fire in hell.

 

Dr. Mcgee used to always put the cookies on the lower shelf for regular folks. I've never heard of anybody that did'nt like him.

 

Don't know 'bout you and others, bro, but, just about the only things that'll diminish my respect for anyone is:

a. If they do not preach and believe the sinlessness of Christ;
b. if they do not preach and believe the virgin birth of Christ
c. if they do not preach and believe the blood of Christ,
and all the other fundamentals of the Christian faith;

Whether there is literal fire in hell or not, whether there will be a seven year tribulation or not, don't matter much to me, 'cause I know I ain't gon' be there, glory to God !

And Dr. Mc'Gee sure preached the fundamentals.

Now, let me give my share of didja'll knows ?

Didja'll know that Dr. Mc'Gee didn't believe that God is calling ALL MEN to repentance, as in all mankind ?

He believes the call for repentance is only for the children of God.

 

I don't know about that all I know is what I heard him say about hell.

 

Lest I be misunderstood, I am not saying that I agree with every single thing any of the six I mentioned believed and/or taught. Nor would I probably be that close to any individual. But all six of these were as I said above, fair to middlin', IMO. Five of the six could put out enough gravel in their voices that I would not need to buy any for my driveway for years. And Dr. McGee could smooth some of it out with his. Heh! Heh!
Ed

 

There is a literal fire in hell? That is new to me. I always thought it was figurative language. It is separation from God, and that is bad enough for me.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Along with the late Drs. Oliver B.Greene, M. R. DeHaan, Donald Grey Barnhouse, Torrey M. Johnson- Founder of YFC
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Sorry to bust your bubble about Torrey M. Johnson, but he was one of three who founded Youth For Christ, along with Billy Graham and Charles Templeton. Templeton later became an agnostic, and his name was avoided when talking about Youth For Christ ministries.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Nothing would surprise me about Youth for Christ however if you are saying that Oliver Green and M.R.DeHaan did not believe in literal fire in hell you are mistaken again.

 

Hell is decribed sometimes using the word "fire"...and Hell is also described using "outer darkness".

Whether there is literal fire in hell or not is without question a point of contention, and brothers are free to their convictions regarding things like that. Maybe there is...maybe there isnt.

Now if someone says there is no hell, and all are going to heaven, then we have a problem.

Mike

 

Three pages and not one post about Dr. McGee's theology. Now I gotta dig deeper for myself ... YIKES!

 

DeadMan, Actually there was something said about Dr. McGee's theology. It is found near the bottom of page two. Guess you won't have to that digging now. Heh! Heh!
Ed

 

Make that last sentence read, "Guess you won't have to DO that digging now." Sorry for the typo.
Ed

 

J. Vernon McGee was thoroughly reformed in theology and a solid dispensationalist. I love the former and can easily forgive the second. Still loved the man and his preaching.

I am not certain now, but thought he was Presbyterian. He was schooled at Columbia Theological Seminary, and got his dispensationalism from Dallas (Th.M and Th.D.) He went to be with the Lord in 1988. He authored over 200 books, including his Thru the Bible Commentary (60 volumes).

Cheers,

Jim

 

Coupla belated observations for Jim1999. I was not particularly attempting to extol Torrey M. Johnson by identifying him as the Founder of YFC. Rather, the original remark was to differentiate him from four others of my list with 'gravel voices' who were primarily on Radio, and the fairly well known Dr. Barnhouse. I would agree with you to a degree. I was aware of the involvement from the early days of Billy Graham in the organization even becoming the first full time staff member of the fledling YFC. I was aware of the name Charles Templeton, but knew little of him. I identified TMJ as the founder, for it would seem to be consistent with usual usage. The 'roots' of YFC go some years before the actual 'organization'. And cetainly others were involved in this, including Dr. Edman, who I believe was then President of Wheaton. Dr. Torrey Johnson, of whom I know little personally, I believe suggested some sort of evangelistic group and gathered a group to explore something like this during the 30's. He was chosen as the chairman of the ad-hoc committee that arose from this. He was, as you said, one of the three you mentioned, of the actual founding of this as 'Youth for Christ'. And became its first official president. Seems like a logical tag, to me.
You also mentioned another organization. "I'm your friend, Theodore Epp, inviting you to..." I loved listening in my college days to him, G. Christian Weiss, and Ord Morrow on 'Back to the Bible'. I wish I could hear more of their like today. Dr. Epp could make Dr. McGee sound like sandpaper. Thanks for that little side trip to 'Memory Lane'.
Ed

 

Ed,

I was pastoring on the Canadian Prairies when Back to the Bible was in its beginnings and followed, like you, daily...even to the Danny Orlis stories on Saturdays. I had the pleasure of meeting both Epp and Weiss (Canadian).

As I mentioned, I am not a fan of dispensationalism, but I could overlook this just to listen to these giants of faith and the gospel. Their presentation was simple, to the point and always magnetic. Radio was a marvellous field back in those days. I miss that to-day.

Charles Templeton was a personal friend of mine to the end, and I just happen to know his involvement with Billy Graham and YFC. It was Charles that got it off the ground in Canada whilst he was pastor of the Avenue Road Alliance Church (The last church that A.W. Tozer served). Sadly, Charles listened to some men and went for further schooling at Princeton and Union Seminary in NY which led him into liberal theology and later agnosticism. It is a very sad story, but I believe that Charles truly believed in the Christ of old in the last few years of his life when he could still think....before his mind was taken completely.

Cheers, and God bless,

Jim

 

Dr. McGee was, I believe as well, allied with or from a Presbyterian background. I did not remember that he had attended Columbia. But it makes sense. I do know that he was a fairly early graduate of DTS, shortly after it became DTS from Evangelical Theological College. And i found out Dr. Johnson also has gone on to be with the Lord (2003?) as has Theodore Epp. I supect, but do not know, that so have Ord Morrow and G. Christian Weiss.
Oh yeah! Jim 1999 wrote:
"J. Vernon McGee was thoroughly reformed in theology and a solid dispensationalist. I love the former and can easily forgive the second."
Happens to me, too. What a combo! Nostalgia AND dyslexi...! Heh! Heh! Heh!
Ed

 

Jim, on a serious note, the parallels of Charles Templeton miror another outstanding individual of a century earlier, also with the initials of CT- Crawford Toy. That slide was down a virtually identical slope. The main difference, one slope went through Princeton; the other through Harvard. Sad!
Ed

 

I believe McGees last church where he pastored was the non-denominational "Church of the Open Door" in downtown Los Angeles. The one that had the big "Jesus Saves" sign on it.

Mike