Opinion: The GOP's Short-Sighted Immigration Strategy

Have you even read the legislation?

Not to any thinking person who reads with even a minimal level of care.

Again, have you even read the bill?

 

Politicians are kept out of office by voting against them.

This is what RobertSnow was talking about.

When I asked if he meant that illegal immigrants should vote against Republicans he affirmed that was his meaning.

I suggested nothing. I asked a question.

So what do you think? Should illegal immigrants vote against Republicans.

 

No. I haven't. However, the one provision I know about is enough to keep me up in arms. LEO's can on any suspicion (not defined by the legislation) of legal residence or citizenship can demand at any time to see documents (also not defined as to which documents or number required) verifying citizenship or legal status. So its not limited to people being caught in a crime. Nor is it limited to people behaving suspiciously in such a manner as to be criminal giving probable cause. All a LEO has to be is suspicious a person is illegal. With hispanics its easy because of their looks. However, it doesn't limit it to just hispanics. If your of any race a LEO can use this law to 1) detain you on your way and 2) interigate you 3) deprive you of documents.

In the law as it is before this. A law enforcement officer cannot force you to answer questions unless you are place under arrest. For this he needs just cause. A LEO cannot search you or deprive you of property unless they obtain a warrent for which they need probable cause. If you are placed under arrest a LEO can search only the immediate vicinity. However, if a LEO detains you without just cause. Searches you with out warrent and deprives you of property they have violated Federal law. This law is a way of forgoing current statutes. And the people group attacked for now are the latin's. Bad premise.

 

you should read the post just before this one. Of course illegals can't vote. Which is why the suggestion is ridiculous and I don't think Robert was saying that. The Legal hispanics vote. The illegals work against the republican party in that they influence by various means the legal community. Illegals can influence the rest of the population by showing suffering under the law as its misapplied. There will be an outcry from the rest of the country about human rights. Mark my words. So when you asked your question suggesting that illegal vote (ridiculous!) its seems as though you were lumping the two groups together. Illegals can only vote in the sense that dead people can vote. Illegally which hasn't stopped groups like ACORN.

 

I've read the bill and you don't have the slightest clue of what you are talking about.

 

You need to read the bill then because every point of objection you raise is covered in the bill. Why are you going to sit here and ignorantly comment on something?

Here's some quotes from the bill for you:

 

You should read my post on the thread about the law itself. And note you cannot be considered from race is a stupid statement to be politically correct. According to the provision they can stop you doing anything. How then is it determined that you have illegal status? How will it work. Its based on the LEO's judgment and hes going to judge by race. Of course he'll deny it but what else do they have to go on?

 

You need to read the bill then because every point of objection you raise is covered in the bill. Why are you going to sit here and ignorantly comment on something?


It's called listening to some liberal pundit's talking points and then respewing them as fact.

 

I just read the bill and not every thing I brought up is taken care of by the bill read the tread in the politics section that has the bill.
here I'll post it for you here

 

CTB, you realize that "the hispanic vote" isn't monolithic, right?

There's a ton of difference between the "Mexican vote" and the "Cuban vote."

 

What is the point in posting here if you don't even bother to read?

I asked him if that is what he meant and he affirmed it.

Seriously - change your screen name.

How about "Thinkingstuffup".

 

Those pesky conservatives getting in the way of progressive socialism. How dare they force criminals to abide by immigration laws. It's okay if someone is breaking the laws as long as they're only doing it for their family.

Yes, that was meant to sound sarcastic

 

You are alert to all the what-ifs and could-happens. But what would you suggest? The state is experiencing a slow motion invasion and looking for a way to deal with it. The Administration won't help, and in fact would like to "offer a path to citizenship" for those illegals that are already in-country. Maybe you have some better plan that would work, or maybe you think there is no issue to even be addressed.

What if millions of Americans were pouring into the soverign nation of Mexico, would you think they had a problem there and would be justified in trying to come to grips with it?

 

I heard on the news recently that the illegals have already started leaving Arizona.

 

I don't know about that but there is about 460,000 illegals there. If they do there estimation like down here in Florida, that would be a very conservative number, there could be many more. The GOP does well with the Cuban population down here, not as well with the Mexicans and other groups.

 

This is what I suggest. Jail terms for employers who hire illegal immigrants. Military intervention in the mexican drug war. More boarder patrols, 24/7 electronic servaliance of every foot of boarder, repeal migrant worker welfare benefits, require emergency rooms to assertain US citizenship (provide medical care then deportation), Jail terms for landlord knowingly renting property to illegal immigrants, Housing authority verifying housing limits in all cities, have boarder states schools identify citizenship of students attending schools, charge mexico for every illegal criminal in US prisons and then withhold that amount of funding we give mexico.

I believe all of this can be done without taking away peoples rights.

 

Those are all excellent and quite plausible ideas.

 

I'm with rbell on this, sounds great. Only problem, the first time I heard people talking about illegal immigrants was back in the 50's. I think it was John Camron Swayze making light of it, on how many times it was multiple times the people were being deported. Folks back then were saying we needed to put teeth into the law. Dad use to say if we can't keep illegals out, what else will come across (drugs today).

 

An immigration bill that is similar to the bill just passed in Arizona was introduced in the South Carolina house today by state representative Eric Bedingfield of Greenville county...

If a person is suspected of being in the U-S illegally, they must provide a valid South Carolina drivers license, a valid South Carolina ID card or a valid U-S federal, state or local government issued identification..

The bill has been assigned to the House Judiciary committee..

You can read bill H.4919 by clicking on the link below

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http://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess118_2009-2010/bills/4919.htm