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Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Bob Hope, Nov 3, 2012.
Just wondering were everyone here is on this doctrine.
Dispensationalism has been an enlightening reference for me. Larkin was given to me from my Baptist Grandmother and does a good job by graphically presenting the Revelation.
Larkin is the best in my view.
Thank you. I will check it out.
Since you have adopted the name of a comedian, I am fairly sure you recognize a joke when you see one.
Explain what you mean. Are you implying that dispensationalism is a joke?
Im not implying, Im stating it categorically.
From what I am learning I agree. I have not meet someone yet that is a dispensationalist that understands the doctrine fully and can explain it well.
This, plus it seems there is new flavor every couple of decades or so.
From dispensationalist I have spoken with, they use one idea to support another. If A. is true then that would mean B. would be true and therefore C. is now true. I can not wrap my mind around any proofs to think this way. I was hoping there would be someone here that would point out something I may have missed.
There are many different forms of dispensationalism. There are those that some define as "hyper" dispensationalists who believe that God had a different way of salvation for each dispensation characterized by a covenant (Edenic covenant, Noahic covenant, Abrahamic covenant, Mosaic Covenant, and that the church covenant began in Acts 10 and continues to a pre-trib rapture and then God delivers national Israel into a millennial covenant.
There are those that are Pre-millennial who believe that God will save Israel as a nation after a pre-trib rapture and will establish an millennial kingdom upon a transformed earth and yet deny there was or shall be any other gospel or way of salvation than one gospel and that all the covenants of God manifested some aspect of the "everlasting covenant" of grace.
There are those who are Post-trib rapturists but believe in the literal restoration of Israel as a nation and a literal millennial kingdom.
hello again bob:
For what it is worth (and not dispensation); Larkin has an interesting Chapter 32 . Dispensational Teaching of the Great Pyramid. http://preservedwords.com/disptruth/contents.htm ....
Larkin is a better read than Revelation and has neat graphics. ..... but I can't say that I have adopted any of it nor have I understood or adopted Revelation since John was semi psychotic on Patmos Island when he wrote it.
Dispensationalism was invented in the middle of the 19th century by John Nelson Darby.
This is as good a presentation of dispensationalism as I've ever seen.
Paul was a dispensationalist (Eph. 1:10, Eph. 3:2).
I am one
Dispensationalism is a nineteenth-century evangelical, futurist, Biblical interpretation that foresees a series of "dispensations", or periods in history, in which God relates to human beings in different ways under different Biblical covenants.
As a system, dispensationalism is rooted in the writings of John Nelson Darby (1800–1882) and the Brethren Movement.:10 The theology of dispensationalism consists of a distinctive eschatological "end times" perspective, as all dispensationalists hold to premillennialism and most hold to a pretribulation rapture. Dispensationalists believe that the nation of Israel (not necessarily the same as the state of Israel) is distinct from the Christian Church,:322 and that God has yet to fulfill his promises to national Israel. These promises include the land promises, which in the future world to come result in a millennial kingdom and Third Temple where Christ, upon his return, will rule the world from Jerusalem for a thousand years. In other areas of theology, dispensationalists hold to a wide range of beliefs within the evangelical and fundamentalist spectrum.:13
With the rise of dispensationalism, some conservative Protestants came to interpret the Book of Revelation as predicting future events (futurism), rather than predicting events that have taken place throughout history (historicism) or predominantly associated to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70, a position known as Preterism.
I was taught dispensationalism, and for years, it was the only view I ever heard. We all loved Hal Lindsey and his books; J. Dwight Pentecost and his books, and all those prophecy conferences. I was tickled to death to know that I was going to avoid the Great Tribulation.
Then along came a pastor who messed me up good. One night he preached on the end times, from a post-tribulational viewpoint. A bunch of us headed for him after the service. He held up his hand and stopped us.
"Okay guys, we're not going to debate this tonight. Here's your assignment. You find one clear, unmistakeable, non-subject-to-any-other-interpretation verse which specifically says the rapture occurs before the Tribulation. Bring it back with you and we'll discuss the ones you find."
We couldn't find one. Not one.
Billwald, who are you going to believe? Wikipedia or History?
I've shown you that Darby didn't invent dispensationalism by showing history in another thread, and I've shown in this thread that Paul was a dispensationalist...
If you mean that Darby saw from the scriptures the need to rightly divide between which scriptures are spoken to the Church, Christ's Body, and which scriptures are spoken to Israel, then Darby never "invented" that. It was in scriptures all along. God invented it.
Do you believe that we should pray the Matthew 24:20 prayer?
No point to arguing unless we agree to the same meaning of the wrods.
You define "dispensationalism" and you show me how Paul accepted your definition.