Ordination of Women

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  1. Jude

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    Views on the ordination of women
     
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    I've worked extensively with female pastors, and am absolutely certain that God calls both men and women to the pastorate. There were five ordained baptist women on my ordination council, and it was very important to me that the council be gender-inclusive.

    I think people opposed to the ordination of women (even in the Roman Catholic Church) are on the losing end of this issue. Even in the rural baptist church I pastored, it was not a big deal when I used an ordained woman as my supply preacher.

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    What chapter and what verse do you base this belief on?
     
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    bking, a quick search will show you the many threads we've been on for this discussion. I hate prooftexting because I think it's a misuse of the Bible, but if you want a single citation: Galatians 3:28

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    There are several threads about this subject, so I won't beat a dead horse, but I've never found a single verse that says that the Holy Spirit discriminates spiritual gifts based on things like gender, race or social status. No, clearly, the HS has blessed both men AND women with the pastoral gift.
     
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    Joshua, when it comes to women in ministry, I agree with you. Did you know this thread shown below is about women in ministry?

    It was Anne Lotz

    [ June 20, 2002, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: AITB ]
     
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    I'm probably the only one with this opinion, but since you asked, here it is:
    I do not believe that women could be ordained to preach. Show me in the Bible were there was a woman preacher. And please don't give the example of Priscilla, because she was HELPING her husband. It is biblical for a woman to be a helpmate to man.
    If you believe that a woman should preach, what do you do with this verse:"But I suffer not a woman to teach nor to ursup authority over the man but to be in silence." I Timothy 2:12 KJV,
    Also, take a look at the pastoral epistles. When giving qualifications for a preacher or decon,it's always in male perspective {him/he}
    The whole reason GOd created woman was so man would have someone to help him. Just check out the 1st chapters of Genisis.
    I'm against this "womans liberation." The only liberation a woman needs can be found the day they get saved and are liberated of there sins!
    The Bible speaks of women being submissive to their husbands. The order is suposed to be God,man,woman, not the other way around!
    And this isn't cruel or barbaric. If done correctly God's order can be loving and wonderful. {take it from a girl that has a woman in her family that refuses to stay in her place! It makes things MUCH harder!}
    GOd's plan is perfect, and He dosn't need the help of liberals or anyone for that matter to "perfect" it.
    No where in the Bible does it speak of an ordained woman preacher!! And no, the Bible isn't written for just the people of that time. Times change but God dosn't. If God changed with the times, we would really be in trouble,but thank the Lord, I serve a God that is the same yesterday, now, and forever!
    That's what makes the Bible so wonderful. Men can try to change things around,and push away truth, but in the end, the truth is still there,and will always be there, wheither or not someone likes it.
    You can argue this for many pages, you can get mad at me and at each other,you can argue in an unChristian like way, and in the end, you will still hold to the same opinions. It won't do any good to have this debate, because in the end, the only thing acomplised will be that you still hold to the same thing. So why argue it? As someone else stated "I don't want to shoot a dead horse..."
    I don't care what anyone thinks. I hold to this opinion and stand firm. I know I can't change your minds, but maybe I can influance. I don't know.
    This is my opinion. Take it or leave it.Since you can't see me or my expresions as I write this, know I am saying this with kindness, but also firmly.
    Abby
     
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    For what's its worth...
    I believe that there is no Scriptual warrant for female elders in the Church. Jesus picked men for leadership. 'In the beginning' men were picked for leadership. Nature clearly reflects that as well. Can a woman teach or preach? Probably. But an elder, who is the visible 'head' or 'leader' of a local church, who presides over Word and worship and the Lord's Table? I think not. On a practical level, I doubt that most women could actually lead and 'grow' a church. Men resist female leadership, and in fact, need godly male role models for the same. This being said, I would certainly show respect to any ordained person...and I certainly would not 'spill blood' over this issue.
     
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    Female pastors is part of a female agenda, that is part of the feminist movement. Next thing we know we will have female Sumo wrestlers!
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    Pollsters:
    I Tim. 2:11,12 makes it clear as to the relationship of women and their roles in the church. Women are not to be in leadership roles over men. They are not to be in authority over a man. This relationship is apparent in I Cor. 11:3.
    Finally, acording to Ephesians 5:22-25,31. Wives are to be in subjection unto their own hubands. God has establshed a pattern for his work. He has given us a guide in our marital relationships.Men are to provide the leadership at home and in the church.
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    Theres a difference from women in ministry(women who minister) and women who are ordained. We are all called to minister in Jesus' name. But thats not being ordained and preaching. Which is unbiblical, and that scriptural evidence has already beeen given in someones previous post.
     
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    There is no biblical ban on women in the Ministry. There is one verse where Paul discusses it, but he's discussing it as an item of administration. Paul elsewhere makes it clear that his administrative guidelines separate from his preaching the word of God. Rather, he develops some administrative functions to help the individual churches function.

    So if anyone says Paul forbids women from being preachers, then they're misinterpreting Paul.
     
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    How can a woman be a preacher and still "not have authority over a man?"
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    Joshua,
    To use Gal 3:28 to support women as clergy is a gross violation of hermeneutics.
     
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    No offense Jude, but the poll questions & answers leave much to be desired. Far too many extremes on the answers.
     
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    exactly, tom !
    I do not see any relation to the topic at hand and that verse !
     
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    How can a woman be a preacher and still "not have authority over a man?" I dunno. Maybe you should ask the Holy Spirit why He gives the spiritual gift to women as well as men.

    Please list the Bible verses that say a woman shall not have authority over a man. And don't list any that are in regards to husband/wife. That's a different topic which has already been discussed.
     
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    Theres a difference from women in ministry(women who minister) and women who are ordained. We are all called to minister in Jesus' name. But thats not being ordained and preaching. Which is unbiblical, and that scriptural evidence has already beeen given in someones previous post.</font>[/QUOTE]I should have used clearer language, shouldn't I?
    I do realize that all women 'minister'. Thanks for pointing that out, katie. [​IMG]

    However, I don't agree with some ministerial positions being for men only, though. I don't believe that the Bible clearly supports that viewpoint even though I realize that many Bible-believing Christians disagree with me on that. (Many, but not all!)
     
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    Johnv:
    The verses you are looking for are as follows:
    I Tim.2:11,12, I Cor. 11:3. Moreover, Elders and deacons are to be men. The divine instructions of God are that an elder or deacon must be the Husband of one wife. It is very difficult for a woman to be a husband of one wife.I Tim.3:2,12.
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    My little friend, saved by grace 1999, is very bright in her answer; (such wisdom for one so young)! The KJBible says if a MAN desire the office...HE desireth...the HUSBAND of...ruleth well HIS own house...having HIS children...For if a MAN know not...HIS own house...how shall HE...lifted up with pride HE fall...Moreover HE must have...lest HE fall... "In no uncertain terms, God declares in the KJBible that Ministry offices can be held only by a man! He does not change His mind from book to book; He is consistent all thru' the N.T. Women simply do not qualify. There were NO female Apostles.

    I don't feel discriminated against at all. Adam was first formed, then Eve. The woman is not to be the head over man. I really love my role & enjoy doing what God has placed me to do.

    I had mentioned in another topic that I felt the cut-off age for a woman to teach a boy should be around 11-12; this is because of Jesus's age when He was teaching in the Temple. I know there were several women greatly used of the Lord in the O.T., but I don't think they were of the Ministry offices.

    Just because there are women preachers don't mean they have God's approval! It's the Word that will not return void. I imagine many people were truly blessed by Judas's ministry, but he wasn't genuine, was he.
     

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