OSAS question? About repentance and stuff!! :0))

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  1. TaliOrlando

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    I posted this in another topic but I still have questions on this about Once saved always saved thing. Once we accept Jesus as our personal savior can we sin all we want and still go to heaven without ever repenting and asking God to forgive us. For example: Saddam, if he accepted Jesus when he was 20 and for the other years worshiped idol Gods and killed many and never repented of that What would happen to him?

    This is a good subject and one that I also have questions about. I mean.. I think Yes God paid the price for our sins but we still must ask and repent for them right? I dont think that if a person gives him life to Christ and then forgets about Christ his whole like and never repents. I think that person is just fooling him self.


    Galatians 5
    Life by the Spirit
    16So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.
    19The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires. 25Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other

    Galatians 6
    7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature[a]will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

    Revelation 3

    15I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see. 19Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent 20Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. 21To him who overcomes, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. 22He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."


    Now in Revelation he is talking to a church right? A Church who has already accepted him as their Saviour yet he tells them that those who he loves he rebukes and diciplines and for them to be earnest and repent.

    I dont think you can be saved in the morning and be lost in the afternoon thats now what I am saying. I just think a Christian should just be humble and in prayer just ask for to forgive their daily sins. Thats all... I dont think that a Christian who accepts Christ can just live his life in sin and not repent and be saved. However I am work in progress and would like your help on this.... Thanks Tali
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  2. Marcia

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    You are posting the same thing twice, at least the last paragraph. I recall reading it and responding to it on another thread. Why are you posting this again?
     
  3. TaliOrlando

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    Because over there it was a little bit different topic and this is a question I am dealing with about OSAS and just trying to learn you know. My bad..
     
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    I sure hope you dont ever fall for this Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.
     
  5. TaliOrlando

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    I have been hearing alot about OSAS and Since in Revelation is states that I placed in bold how can they state that we dont have to repent and stuff. I am a little confused and you know.. just wanted some answers.
     
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    Tali I sent you a PM.
     
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    TaliOrlando: //Once we accept Jesus as our personal savior
    can we sin all we want and still go to heaven without
    ever repenting and asking God to forgive us.//

    This doesn't have a yes/no answer, in fact, it is a badly loaded
    question which many anti-OSAS folk are wont to totally misunderstand.

    At best, the question is a bad question.

    Consider this scripture:

    2Ti 3:16-17 (KJV1611 Edition):
    All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, & is profitable
    for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction,
    for instrution in righteousnesse,
    17 That the man of God may be perfect,
    throughly furnished vnto all good workes.


    'perfect' here means 'complete' (similar to
    'throughly furnished') {not 'without sin' as some teach}

    Here is a better question:

    Now that I'm OSAS - how can I serve my Lord
    and Savior: Messiah Jesus best?


    TaliOrlando: //Once we accept Jesus as our personal savior
    can we sin all we want and still go to heaven without
    ever repenting and asking God to forgive us.//

    Yes. You can sin all you want to. However, if you really
    got saved my Messiah Jesus, you will want to sin
    zero, nada, zilch, etc.
    Now that I'm OSAS by Jesus - how can I serve my Lord
    and Savior: Messiah Jesus, best?

    TaliOrlando: //Once we accept Jesus as our personal savior
    can we sin all we want and still go to heaven without
    ever repenting and asking God to forgive us.//

    No. You will repent in bitter tears every time you sent.
    By a day-to-day process of Salvation called 'Scantification'
    you will work soul-to-soul with Jesus to clense you
    from the daily contamination of the world.
    Now that I'm OSAS by Jesus - how can I serve my Lord
    and Savior: Messiah Jesus, best?
     
  8. Ed Edwards

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    Here is the OSAS (once saved, always saved) key passage:

    John 3:16-17 (KJV1611 Edition):
    For God so loued ye world,
    that he gaue his only begotten Sonne:
    that whosoeuer beleeueth in him,
    should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.
    17 For God sent not his Sonne into the world
    to condemne the world: but that the world
    through him might be saued.

    This passage shows that
    'be saved' = 'should not perish, but haue euerlasting life'

    Salvation starts with 'whosoeuer believeth in Him' that
    is believes in Jesus. 'not perish' has no end.
    'everlasting life has no end'. Salvation has no end.

    Salvation starts when you accept Jesus as your Lord,
    He becomes your Savior. That Salvation is eternal.

    OSAS isn't about the weakness of humans, it is about
    the POWER OF GOD to save through Messiah Jesus.

    Needless to say, OSAS is NEVER a license to sin, for
    there is no license to sin, it is totally unscriptural.
     
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    Straw man argument because there is no objective test for salvation (regeneration) This also applies to questions about suicides. If they are regenerate they go to Heaven.
     
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    4 Point Calvinists would say that some rebellion against God "gets you heaven" and open rebellion gets you "more heaven" and that you should not worry your pretty little head about what Matt 7 and 1John 2:3-7 says to the contrary.

    3 and 5 point Calvinists will say that when you FAIL to persevere 10 years from today's claim of full "assurance" -- then your assurance is retro-deleted and you never were saved at all!!

    Consistent Arminians will say that though you CHOOSE salvation today and ARE a born again saved saint -- ten years from today when you CHOOSE to leave Christ and follow your own will -- you are no longer saved. In fact you will get the "forgiveness REVOKED" result of Matt 18 that Christ warned you about in both Matt 18 AND in Romans 11.

    This does not mean you are lost each time you sin - but at some point when you turn and make a course diversion away from Christ -- as in the Matt 18 case - you are once again -- lost.

    In Christ,

    Bob

     
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    OSAS says "FOR God so Loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever DOES NOT BELIEVE in him should be SAVED ANYWAY no matter what the bible says to the contrary -- in the case where there was ever a case when they DID believe".

    And that is just wrong of them to teach --
     
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    Which argument is a strawman argument?

    As for the other posts, i don't have time to figure out arguments
    so stupid that you have to spend hours figureing out
    what (if anything) the person said. If you don't like my points
    debate them. I'm raising grandchildren who are lots more important
    than one-liners.
     
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    OSAS says exactly what John 3:16 says with no exceptions, additions, or deletions. Your problem Bob is that you have your own version of John 3:16. You are the one that makes it up and changes it according to how you want it to read. That's sad.
     
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    My version says "that whoseover BELIEVEs might have eternal life" -- those who argue "whosoever DOES NOT BELIEVE has eternal life ANYWAY" are the ones having a problem with the text. They are the ones specifically being identified by the "OP"

    Even 3 and 5 Point Calvinists choke on the stuff that 4 pointers try to argue with their "whosoever does NOT believe might be saved anyway" doctrines --

    It hardly does any good at all to blame it all on me.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Eternal Security of the believer is taught all the way through the Word of God. A second grader can understand it. For someone to completly twist (Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life) make this verse say something it doesn't is either deliberately trying to confuse people or not saved. 1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. This is the easiest verse in the entire Bible to understand.
     
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    BobRyan: // ... those who argue "whosoever DOES NOT BELIEVE has
    eternal life ANYWAY" are the ones having a problem with the text.//

    The only one i've seen that mentions this strawman is you,
    Bro. BobRyan.
     
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    John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
    17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    There is no doubt in these verses. He that believeth on him is not condemned.
    He that beleiveth not is condemned already.
    There is no: "might, should, may, possible." They are absolute statements.
    If you believe in Christ you have salvation, no questions asked. They are absolute promises given by the Lord, someone whose promises I would not question.
     
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    So what does it mean that one believes in Jesus. Is it possible to see 'the faith'?
     
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    The problem is that the Bible not ONLY says believeth on Jesus, it ALSO says other things too... like this for instance...


    Mk:16:16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
     
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    I mean you could go around all day saying "hey look! the Bible says he that wears a purple shirt shall be saved!"

    But then over here in vere 89 it says "He that weareth a green pair of socks shall be saved"

    so you know what? that means you gotta wear a purple shirt and green socks!

    Its just like when over here it says you gotta have faith but over there it says you gotta have works.

    So you know what that means? it means you gotta have faith AND works!

    Thats easy to understand.
     
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