OSAS question? About repentance and stuff!! :0))

You are posting the same thing twice, at least the last paragraph. I recall reading it and responding to it on another thread. Why are you posting this again?

 

I sure hope you dont ever fall for this Once Saved Always Saved doctrine.

 

Tali I sent you a PM.

 

TaliOrlando: //Once we accept Jesus as our personal savior
can we sin all we want and still go to heaven without
ever repenting and asking God to forgive us.//

This doesn't have a yes/no answer, in fact, it is a badly loaded
question which many anti-OSAS folk are wont to totally misunderstand.

At best, the question is a bad question.

Consider this scripture:

2Ti 3:16-17 (KJV1611 Edition):
All Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, & is profitable
for doctrine, for reproofe, for correction,
for instrution in righteousnesse,
17 That the man of God may be perfect,
throughly furnished vnto all good workes.

'perfect' here means 'complete' (similar to
'throughly furnished') {not 'without sin' as some teach}

Here is a better question:

Now that I'm OSAS - how can I serve my Lord
and Savior: Messiah Jesus best?

TaliOrlando: //Once we accept Jesus as our personal savior
can we sin all we want and still go to heaven without
ever repenting and asking God to forgive us.//

Yes. You can sin all you want to. However, if you really
got saved my Messiah Jesus, you will want to sin
zero, nada, zilch, etc.
Now that I'm OSAS by Jesus - how can I serve my Lord
and Savior: Messiah Jesus, best?

TaliOrlando: //Once we accept Jesus as our personal savior
can we sin all we want and still go to heaven without
ever repenting and asking God to forgive us.//

No. You will repent in bitter tears every time you sent.
By a day-to-day process of Salvation called 'Scantification'
you will work soul-to-soul with Jesus to clense you
from the daily contamination of the world.
Now that I'm OSAS by Jesus - how can I serve my Lord
and Savior: Messiah Jesus, best?

 

Here is the OSAS (once saved, always saved) key passage:

John 3:16-17 (KJV1611 Edition):
For God so loued ye world,
that he gaue his only begotten Sonne:
that whosoeuer beleeueth in him,
should not perish, but haue euerlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Sonne into the world
to condemne the world: but that the world
through him might be saued.

This passage shows that
'be saved' = 'should not perish, but haue euerlasting life'

Salvation starts with 'whosoeuer believeth in Him' that
is believes in Jesus. 'not perish' has no end.
'everlasting life has no end'. Salvation has no end.

Salvation starts when you accept Jesus as your Lord,
He becomes your Savior. That Salvation is eternal.

OSAS isn't about the weakness of humans, it is about
the POWER OF GOD to save through Messiah Jesus.

Needless to say, OSAS is NEVER a license to sin, for
there is no license to sin, it is totally unscriptural.

 

Straw man argument because there is no objective test for salvation (regeneration) This also applies to questions about suicides. If they are regenerate they go to Heaven.

 

4 Point Calvinists would say that some rebellion against God "gets you heaven" and open rebellion gets you "more heaven" and that you should not worry your pretty little head about what Matt 7 and 1John 2:3-7 says to the contrary.

3 and 5 point Calvinists will say that when you FAIL to persevere 10 years from today's claim of full "assurance" -- then your assurance is retro-deleted and you never were saved at all!!

Consistent Arminians will say that though you CHOOSE salvation today and ARE a born again saved saint -- ten years from today when you CHOOSE to leave Christ and follow your own will -- you are no longer saved. In fact you will get the "forgiveness REVOKED" result of Matt 18 that Christ warned you about in both Matt 18 AND in Romans 11.

This does not mean you are lost each time you sin - but at some point when you turn and make a course diversion away from Christ -- as in the Matt 18 case - you are once again -- lost.

In Christ,

Bob

 

OSAS says "FOR God so Loved the world that He gave His only Son that whosoever DOES NOT BELIEVE in him should be SAVED ANYWAY no matter what the bible says to the contrary -- in the case where there was ever a case when they DID believe".

And that is just wrong of them to teach --

 

Which argument is a strawman argument?

As for the other posts, i don't have time to figure out arguments
so stupid that you have to spend hours figureing out
what (if anything) the person said. If you don't like my points
debate them. I'm raising grandchildren who are lots more important
than one-liners.

 

OSAS says exactly what John 3:16 says with no exceptions, additions, or deletions. Your problem Bob is that you have your own version of John 3:16. You are the one that makes it up and changes it according to how you want it to read. That's sad.

 

My version says "that whoseover BELIEVEs might have eternal life" -- those who argue "whosoever DOES NOT BELIEVE has eternal life ANYWAY" are the ones having a problem with the text. They are the ones specifically being identified by the "OP"

Even 3 and 5 Point Calvinists choke on the stuff that 4 pointers try to argue with their "whosoever does NOT believe might be saved anyway" doctrines --

It hardly does any good at all to blame it all on me.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Eternal Security of the believer is taught all the way through the Word of God. A second grader can understand it. For someone to completly twist (Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life) make this verse say something it doesn't is either deliberately trying to confuse people or not saved. 1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. This is the easiest verse in the entire Bible to understand.

 

BobRyan: // ... those who argue "whosoever DOES NOT BELIEVE has
eternal life ANYWAY" are the ones having a problem with the text.//

The only one i've seen that mentions this strawman is you,
Bro. BobRyan.

 

John 3:16-18 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

There is no doubt in these verses. He that believeth on him is not condemned.
He that beleiveth not is condemned already.
There is no: "might, should, may, possible." They are absolute statements.
If you believe in Christ you have salvation, no questions asked. They are absolute promises given by the Lord, someone whose promises I would not question.

 

So what does it mean that one believes in Jesus. Is it possible to see 'the faith'?

 

The problem is that the Bible not ONLY says believeth on Jesus, it ALSO says other things too... like this for instance...


Mk:16:16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

 

I mean you could go around all day saying "hey look! the Bible says he that wears a purple shirt shall be saved!"

But then over here in vere 89 it says "He that weareth a green pair of socks shall be saved"

so you know what? that means you gotta wear a purple shirt and green socks!

Its just like when over here it says you gotta have faith but over there it says you gotta have works.

So you know what that means? it means you gotta have faith AND works!

Thats easy to understand.