Our Facist Minded Government

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Revmitchell, Nov 12, 2009.

  1. Revmitchell

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    Last Saturday, at 11 o’clock in the evening, the House of Representatives voted by a five vote margin to have the federal government manage the health care of every American at a cost of $1 trillion dollars over the next ten years.

    For the first time in American history, if this bill becomes law, the Feds will force you to buy insurance you might not want, or may not need, or cannot afford. If you don’t purchase what the government tells you to buy, if you don’t do so when they tell you to do it, and if you don’t buy just what they say is right for you, the government may fine you, prosecute you, and even put you in jail. Freedom of choice and control over your own body will be lost. The privacy of your communications and medical decision making with your physician will be gone. More of your hard earned dollars will be at the disposal of federal bureaucrats.

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  2. rbell

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    Nancy Pelosi should go to jail for treason.
     
  3. rbell

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    I guess I better start saving $$. Looks like I'll have some fines to pay.
     
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    It will never pass the constitution. The first person to get fined and challenge it will get it made void.
     
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    Which clause of the Constitution will it violate?
     
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    Wrong question.

    What clause gives the Federal Gov't the authority to mandate a consumer purchase ?
     
  7. Aaron

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    The power to compel individuals to purchase goods and services against their will is not specifically delegated to the federal government. It violates the 10th Amendment.
     
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    +1 :thumbs:
     
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    +2 :thumbs:
     
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    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. [5][6]
    Third Amendment – Protection from quartering of troops. ​


    No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
    Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure. ​


    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    No person shall be held to answer for any capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
    Seventh AmendmentCivil trial by jury. ​


    In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

    Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
    Ninth Amendment – Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights. ​


    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
    Tenth Amendment – Powers of States and people. ​

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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  11. Revmitchell

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    And if it ever became law it would be challenged as to its constitutional merits. The plans are made and just waiting.
     
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    IP is correct

    Revmitchell finally got something right. The traditional economic/political definition of "fascism" is a government that controls business for the mutual benefit of the government and big business . . . something like that.

    If anyone doubts that the government is actively transferring assets from the working class to big business, please explain where the first 2 trillion went.
     
  13. Revmitchell

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    Aww that means so much you know...coming form you
     
  14. rbell

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    Wrong.

    Government is transferring assets from all workers and businesses to itself.

    Example: GM--Government Motors. (at least the part they didn't give to organized crime...er, the UAW).
     
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    >Government is transferring assets from all workers and businesses to itself.

    Someone always owns the government and it is seldom the serfs. That's why nothing changes when ruling party changes. Both parties are owned by the same companies who are owned by the same people.

    Company CEOs sit on each other's boards and vote each other raises. 50 years ago most company stock was owned by individual people. Now days most company stock is owned by funds, insurance companies, and banks, all controlled by the same people. Half the stock market trades are made by computers. Who votes the share?

    My IRA is run by a "fixed fee" guy and I don't read any of the financial stuff the companies are required to send. I throw the proxies away. As long as he is beating the market I don't care what my guy buys or sells. All I know is when everyone I know lost at least 30%, I only lost 20%. <G>
     
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    What is this strange document? Do our elected "representatives" know about this? It seems like it could be a good model for a free people to use to limit the powers of their government. We really should try to change to this model some day!
     
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    "The devil is in the details." <G>

    For example, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Our fastest growing religion requires a public call to prayer 5 times a day. The people who wrote the Constitution never considered bull horns and electrical amplification. An electronic call to prayer is no more offensive than a street preacher with a bull horn. Both need to be banned for public health reasons (driving people crazy, causing hearing loss), thus nullifying the free exercise of religion.
     
  18. rbell

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    I guess it would be asking too much for billwald to post on topic...
     

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